That fight took several minutes and required him to split them up before he took them down.
And here? Both fighters are better than either of those two, *way* better than Savage.
Problem, range. At a distance, there's all the more time to react and defend against whatever he's throwing.
Precog should be an area of fairly small gap. Physical speed and precog are two different things, and Anakin has good precog. He's never had problem reacting to a fast person.
I'll note how Talzin + Maul was able to clash with Sidious at ranged force, and expected to win were it not for Dooku joining in.
Up close, they're both *very* good saber masters, it's their specialties, and Sidious needs to defend himself from heavy blows constantly while only using the strength of one arm in each block.
While a win is possible, if he can wound one of 'em early enough, it is a rough spot indeed and I do believe it favors the duo.
People are forgetting he has already TPed Vader, and Vader is more powerful has superior telepath feats to Malgus as is.
He can literally bring any of them down to their knees, aside from ragdolling them or blitzing them
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
There was a description from Lords of the Sith that made it sound like that. It sounded like that to a few people, but can't find it now. Will see when the book comes out now (next month).
But Vader has the best "lifting" feat.
Because I think they did effect the fight with Mace, given Sidious was dominating the beginning of that fight, so those first extra 7 seconds concentrating solely on Mace could have made the difference.
You think Sidious vs Vader 1 on 1 would be a Stomp? You don't think Sidious would beat him with difficulty?
By this logic, Krayt required dark transfer to beat Cade.
I'd like for you to prove this.
Maul is on par with Vader in terms of saber prowess.
You do realize direct application of TK happens instantly? If Maul and Savage can't defend against it while it's being divided between them, then Malgus has no hope.
As far as lightning, peak Malgus (after he killed Aleema) got burned while blocking a lightning attack from Adraas, whose lightning doesn't even begin to compare to Sidious'. Sidious blasted Yoda's lightsaber right out of his hands, so I don't think Malgus's saber defense is good enough here.
Yeah, he's never fought anyone as fast as Sidious, and he's certainly not on par with Sidious speedwise, otherwise there'd had been no fight between him and Obi Wan. Obi Wan would go down to Sidious as easily as the B-team.
You only need slightly better precognition and be a great deal faster for it to matter.
Instead of just stating what you think, you need to back it up a bit more. You're argument basically: "these two are good fighters and powerful, and see Sidious fought Maul and Savage for several minutes; oh and these guys are strong."
Talzin at the heart of her power is on par with Sidious evidently. Using her, especially at the heart of her nightsister power, is a bad example. Well, actually Sidious was powering through her lightning within a few panels until Maul joined in, and I don't remember anything implying they'd have overpowered him. The help of weakened Dooku, who was using only one hand was enough to kill them both once Talzin's shield was overpowered/down according to her.
Different scenario here, and I doubt Malgus would want to tangle with Sidious in a lightning contest. And we know Vader doesn't have lightning.
He casually dealt with Savage's and Maul's strength without feeling the need to go all out and while enjoying himself. He won't have a problem here. And if he does, he can always resort to heavy force usage, something he didn't do against Maul and Savage, assuming he even allows them to get up close.
Sidious also blitzed through a team of *very* good saber masters, so you need to come up with something better.
Ok.
Being far more impressive than them in TK isn't the same as being able to casually ragdoll them with it. Don't know how the new canon is going to depict power levels, but for all of Vader's raw TK feats in the old canon, he's never ragdolled two Maul level opponents at once or a Dooku level character from across the galaxy, whereas Sidious has done both very easily.
No, it didn't. Not from what I recall.
He's always had better "lifting" feats than Sidious. Dooku, Maul and Savage do to.
If they were instrumental in Mace's victory then Mace would have been on the winning end when they were present, or at least right after Sidious downed them, not a good minute later. I mean, they were probably instrumental in not getting Mace completely overwhelmed from the start, but nothing more than that.
We're using EU, so yeah. Perhaps easier in canon since we don't know if Vader made adjustments to his suit for lightning defense. Even in a strict saber duel, Sidious would wear him down quite solidly.
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
Kanan ragdolled the Inquisitor in their first encounter despite being inferior. Anyway, based solely on feats Vader should be able to do the same as Sidious did. Now, do I actually think he is capable of it? Probably not. But from a strictly feat perspective, Vader's appears superior.
The Inquisitor was only "ragdolled" by Kanan because he was caught off guard. Similar to Ahsoka Force pushing Ventress that massive distance in "Cloak of Darkness."
Kanan may very well be more powerful than the Inquisitor, but unfinished training may have prevented Kanan from doing so consistently with such feats being mostly dictated by circumstance. After all, Kanan seems quite powerful, and I haven't watched all of the episodes so I'm sure there are feats that I'm missing.
Judging from the TCW, the only time we see that level of dominance is if the force user is far superior than his/her opponent, or if a force user is in an unusual fit of rage and with a lot of strain (Ventress to Anakin/Kenobi; Savage to Dooku/Ventress). Yoda casually paralyzed Ventress while calm and holding a conversation with the king of Toydaria, whereas Anakin was only able to do so to Ventress while unleashing his anger, otherwise she holds her own against him quite well, even lands force attacks on him. The difference, Yoda's casual domination over her suggests he can do so any time without circumstance, whereas Anakin can only do so under certain circumstance, despite the fact that Anakin has the best TK feat in the series (toppling an underwater building).
We'll just have to see how new canon depicts Vader. I don't think we'll be seeing him easily tame Maul and Savage level force users, not casually and consistently anyway.
EDIT: SOD confirms Maul was intending to draw Sidious away from Corsuscant to fight him, so there is nothing to indicate he was taken off-guard, especially after Sidious entered the room so aggressively and gave Maul somewhat of a warning before he attacked. Regardless, Sidious did it more than once. Sidious wasn't catching them off-guard every time.
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
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