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You go to a blog site that promotes magic and spirituality for physics?


That very same blog stated that string theory consists of 11 dimensions, bosonic string theory consists of 26 dimensions and super string theory consists of 10 dimensions, last i checked those were facts, which you also agreed with.

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Does that community happen to be on the blog site you linked earlier? No. Like Brian Greene said: a dimension is an independent direction. The third dimension isn't volume. With three dimensions you'll span volume, but by themselves length, width and depth are just independent directions and can be interchanged. And that's standard linear algebra.

Michio Kaku and Brain Greene aren't scientists—as in they're not currently conducting any scientific research—they are popularizing science by writing pop-science books and speaking in various documentaries. And as media icons they are not teaching physics, they're teaching about physics.

There is no many world's theory, it's an hypothesis. It's philosophy. Not science.


That wasnt a blog, it was New Sciences interview with Briane Greene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T0hk0mVjOs

"They are the data that needs to be specified in order to delineate where something takes place"
Thats in relation to extra dimension^, so you've confused spatial dimensions with extra dimensions (like briane greene said, extra dimensions are too small and fit in the 3rd spatial dimension). Its common fact that the 3rd dimension is depth:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...s_color.svg.png

Three-dimensional Cartesian coordinate system with the z-axis representing volume/ depth.

Theres no refuting it, the 3rd dimension has ALWAYS been depth/volume, its the z-axis, its our world, everything you see around you, its the point where matter comes into play.

LOL im LMAO, did you try to refute Briane Greene And Michio Kakus stance in the science community?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI50HN0Kshg

http://bigthink.com/videos/the-mult...11-dimensions-2

"Well in string theory—which is what I do for a living; that's my day job—"

Not only that, but Michio Kaku is also the co-founder of string field theory (a branch of string theory), and continues Einstein’s search to unite the four fundamental forces of nature into one unified theory. He holds the Henry Semat Chair and Professorship in theoretical physics and a joint appointment at City College of New York and the Graduate Center of C.U.N.Y. He is also a visiting professor at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton and is a Fellow of the American Physical Society.

As for Briane Greene, he's a string theorist, a professor at Columbia University since 1996 and chairman of the World Science Festival since co-founding it in 2008. After attending Stuyvesant High School,[2] Greene entered Harvard in 1980 to concentrate in physics. After completing his bachelor's degree, Greene earned his doctorate from Oxford University as a Rhodes Scholar, graduating in 1987. Briane Greenes also been a string theorist for 25 years, both of these people>>>>>you in every field of string theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Greene

"One such theory is the 11-dimensional M-theory, which requires spacetime to have eleven dimensions,[16] as opposed to the usual three spatial dimensions and the fourth dimension of time. The original string theories from the 1980s describe special cases of M-theory where the eleventh dimension is a very small circle or a line, and if these formulations are considered as fundamental, then string theory requires ten dimensions. But the theory also describes universes like ours, with four observable spacetime dimensions, as well as universes with up to 10 flat space dimensions, and also cases where the position in some of the dimensions is described by a complex number rather than a real number."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String...r_of_dimensions

Not only did i nail the first 4 dimensions, i was also right about the examples i provided for the 10 dimensions, which is super string theory.

"Question: Are there only three dimensions in other universes or could there be more? (Submitted by Andre Lapiere)Michio Kaku: Andre, we believe, though we cannot yet prove, that our multiverse of universes is 11-dimensional. So think of this 11-dimensional arena and in this arena there are bubbles, bubbles that float and the skin of the bubble represents an entire universe, so we're like flies trapped on fly paper. We're on the skin of a bubble. It's a three dimensional bubble. The three dimensional bubble is expanding and that is called the Big Bang theory and sometimes these bubbles can bump into each other, sometimes they can split apart and that we think is the Big Bang. So we even have a theory of the Big Bang itself. Now you ask a question what about the dimensions of each bubble. Well in string theory—which is what I do for a living; that's my day job—In string theory we can have bubbles of different dimensions. The highest dimension is 11. You cannot go beyond 11 because universes become unstable beyond 11. If I write down the theory of a 13-, 15-dimensional universe it's unstable and it collapses down to an 11-dimensional universe. But within 11 dimensions you can have bubbles that are 3 dimensional, 4-dimensional, 5-dimensional. These are membranes, so for short we call them brains. So these brains can exist in different dimensions and let's say P represents the dimension of each bubble, so we call them p-brains. So a p-brain is a universe in different dimensions floating in a much larger arena, and this larger arena is the hyperspace that I talked about originally.
Also remember that each bubble vibrates, and each bubble vibrating creates music. The music of these membranes is the subatomic particles. Each subatomic particle represents a note on a vibrating string or vibrating membranes. So, believe it or not, we now have a candidate for the "Mind of God" that Albert Einstein wrote about for the last 30 years of his life. The "Mind of God" in this picture would be cosmic music resonating throughout 11-dimensional hyperspace."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI50HN0Kshg

And while the many worlds theory is a hypothesis, its mathematically logical, infact its a mathematical fact that there is a multiverse, Greene goes onto explain that the mathematical logic behind the multiverse is as strong as the big bang, black holes and gravity, its as close to a fact as you can get.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...NIVERSE-in-days

Infact LHC SCIENTISTS conducting a mindbending experiment at the Large Hadron Collider next week hope to connect with a PARALLEL UNIVERSE outside of our own.

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I've watched enough Discovery Channel to know that everything Assnerd just said is wrong. thumb up


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You are 100% correct, don't listen to the other guys, they lack the necessary imagination and will never have a real "thought". You on the other hand will discover the missing two dimensions!!!!!!!! Go for it!!!!! **** the brain dead idea digester!!!!



Thanks for the support, Ive also posted more proof as well.

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It wasn't even marvel universe. He was holding the architects of two metaverses, not actual metaverses.


Reported for going off-topic. At least you're not trying to peddle half-truths and snakeoil physics like Astner.


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Reported for going off-topic. At least you're not trying to peddle half-truths and snakeoil physics like Astner.


What happens when someone is reported?

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THOTU means Heart of the Universe.

Its not THOTOV

Hey there friend, ... but it's actually called "the Heart of the Infinite."

It was Thanos that nicknamed it the HOTU:

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Hey there friend, ... but it's actually called "the Heart of the Infinite."

It was Thanos that nicknamed it the HOTU:

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Spot on

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That very same blog stated that string theory consists of 11 dimensions, bosonic string theory consists of 26 dimensions and super string theory consists of 10 dimensions, last i checked those were facts, which you also agreed with.



That wasnt a blog, it was New Sciences interview with Briane Greene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T0hk0mVjOs

"They are the data that needs to be specified in order to delineate where something takes place"
Thats in relation to extra dimension^, so you've confused spatial dimensions with extra dimensions (like briane greene said, extra dimensions are too small and fit in the 3rd spatial dimension). Its common fact that the 3rd dimension is depth:but how does bosonic string theory differ from super string theory consisting of 10 dimensions? dimentions

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...s_color.svg.png

Three-dimensional Cartesian coordinate system with the z-axis representing volume/ depth.

Theres no refuting it, the 3rd dimension has ALWAYS been depth/volume, its the z-axis, its our world, everything you see around you, its the point where matter comes into play.

LOL im LMAO, did you try to refute Briane Greene And Michio Kakus stance in the science community?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI50HN0Kshg

http://bigthink.com/videos/the-mult...11-dimensions-2

"Well in string theory—which is what I do for a living; that's my day job—"

Not only that, but Michio Kaku is also the co-founder of string field theory (a branch of string theory), and continues Einstein’s search to unite the four fundamental forces of nature into one unified theory. He holds the Henry Semat Chair and Professorship in theoretical physics and a joint appointment at City College of New York and the Graduate Center of C.U.N.Y. He is also a visiting professor at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton and is a Fellow of the American Physical Society.

As for Briane Greene, he's a string theorist, a professor at Columbia University since 1996 and chairman of the World Science Festival since co-founding it in 2008. After attending Stuyvesant High School,[2] Greene entered Harvard in 1980 to concentrate in physics. After completing his bachelor's degree, Greene earned his doctorate from Oxford University as a Rhodes Scholar, graduating in 1987. Briane Greenes also been a string theorist for 25 years, both of these people>>>>>you in every field of string theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Greene

"One such theory is the 11-dimensional M-theory, which requires spacetime to have eleven dimensions,[16] as opposed to the usual three spatial dimensions and the fourth dimension of time. The original string theories from the 1980s describe special cases of M-theory where the eleventh dimension is a very small circle or a line, and if these formulations are considered as fundamental, then string theory requires ten dimensions. But the theory also describes universes like ours, with four observable space time dimensions, as well as universes with up to 10 flat space dimensions, and also cases where the position in some of the dimensions is described by a complex number rather than a real number."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String...r_of_dimensions

Not only did i nail the first 4 dimensions, i was also right about the examples i provided for the 10 dimensions, which is super string theory.

"Question: Are there only three dimensions in other universes or could there be more? (Submitted by Andre Lapiere)Michio Kaku: Andre, we believe, though we cannot yet prove, that our multiverse of universes is 11-dimensional. So think of this 11-dimensional arena and in this arena there are bubbles, bubbles that float and the skin of the bubble represents an entire universe, so we're like flies trapped on fly paper. We're on the skin of a bubble. It's a three dimensional bubble. The three dimensional bubble is expanding and that is called the Big Bang theory and sometimes these bubbles can bump into each other, sometimes they can split apart and that we think is the Big Bang. So we even have a theory of the Big Bang itself. Now you ask a question what about the dimensions of each bubble. Well in string theory—which is what I do for a living; that's my day job—In string theory we can have bubbles of different dimensions. The highest dimension is 11. You cannot go beyond 11 because universes become unstable beyond 11. If I write down the theory of a 13-, 15-dimensional universe it's unstable and it collapses down to an 11-dimensional universe. But within 11 dimensions you can have bubbles that are 3 dimensional, 4-dimensional, 5-dimensional. These are membranes, so for short we call them brains. So these brains can exist in different dimensions and let's say P represents the dimension of each bubble, so we call them p-brains. So a p-brain is a universe in different dimensions floating in a much larger arena, and this larger arena is the hyperspace that I talked about originally.
Also remember that each bubble vibrates, and each bubble vibrating creates music. The music of these membranes is the subatomic particles. Each subatomic particle represents a note on a vibrating string or vibrating membranes. So, believe it or not, we now have a candidate for the "Mind of God" that Albert Einstein wrote about for the last 30 years of his life. The "Mind of God" in this picture would be cosmic music resonating throughout 11-dimensional hyperspace."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI50HN0Kshg

And while the many worlds theory is a hypothesis, its mathematically logical, infact its a mathematical fact that there is a multiverse, Greene goes onto explain that the mathematical logic behind the multiverse is as strong as the big bang, black holes and gravity, its as close to a fact as you can get.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...NIVERSE-in-days

Infact LHC SCIENTISTS conducting a mindbending experiment at the Large Hadron Collider next week hope to connect with a PARALLEL UNIVERSE outside of our own.

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But if you can`t go past 11,where does this 26th dimension come from?

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But if you can`t go past 11,where does this 26th dimension come from?

This isn't the thread for this discussion friends.

According to Dr Strange, it seems there are universes who's spatial dimensions are infinitely more or less than 3.


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What happens when someone is reported?


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But if you can`t go past 11,where does this 26th dimension come from?


The 26 dimensions comes from bosonic string theory, which doesnt follow the rules of string theory (M-theory) or super string theory, bosonic string theory looks deep into the movement of the strings which comprise all matter, its completely separate.

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This isn't the thread for this discussion friends.

According to Dr Strange, it seems there are universes who's spatial dimensions are infinitely more or less than 3.


Doctor Strange used Cantors transfinity to explain that there are infinite dimensions, he used pi as an example to explain how it leads to infinity, then he mentions the dimensions ranging to the 6.1 regions, which adds an extra set of infinities.

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And while the many worlds theory is a hypothesis, its mathematically logical, infact its a mathematical fact that there is a multiverse,

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A scientific model is either theory or hypothesis, it can't be both; and no phenomena in physics is considered "mathematical fact."

The Many Worlds Interpretation is a hypothesis, meaning that it has no scientific verification.

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http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...NIVERSE-in-days

Infact LHC SCIENTISTS conducting a mindbending experiment at the Large Hadron Collider next week hope to connect with a PARALLEL UNIVERSE outside of our own.

Here is the article for the experiment.

What they are doing, is trying to create, detect and examine micro-black holes to find out if the gravitational constant is different inside of it. As predicted by bosnic string theory's solution to the hierarchy problem in the standard model.

They tried this before, but couldn't locate any micro-black holes. Now they are using the rainbow gravity metric—a modification of general relativity which predicts that the event horizon of a black hole varies with the wave-length of the light—as an explanation for why they couldn't locate any micro-black holes before; and by now accounting for rainbow gravity they hope to be able to locate them.

Now. To get parallel universes from bosnic string theory you need additional branes next to our, which are not used in this article. So yeah, this is a publicity stunt.

Of course, the dimensions of bosnic string theory have nothing to do with your list of "dimensions." They're expressed in Jordan algebra, and represent the four dimensions of spacetime and its 4 dimensions of internal symmetry-space, 8 dimensions for fermions interaction and 8 dimensions for anti-fermion interaction.

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bosonic string theory looks deep into the movement of the strings which comprise all matter, its completely separate.

It's funny because bosnic string theory only describes bosons, and not fermions which matter is composed of.

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Doctor Strange used Cantors transfinity to explain that there are infinite dimensions, he used pi as an example to explain how it leads to infinity, then he mentions the dimensions ranging to the 6.1 regions, which adds an extra set of infinities.



What he does is that he inaccurately explains cardinals numbers by saying: 'For instance: numbers are infinite. So are off numbers. Yet by definition, there are twice as many numbers as there are off numbers. One "infinity" is included within a "larger infinity."' This is wrong because cardinal numbers expresses the size of a set—keep in mind that numbers are defined by sets—determined by the existence of an injection and surjection with other sets of predefined cardinality.

Now. The set of odd numbers can be bijected (an injection that is also a surjection) accordingly:

f: n ↔ 2n - 1

So 1 ↔ 1, 2 ↔ 3, 3 ↔ 5, 4 ↔ 7, etc. so for every number in the first set there is a corresponding number in the second set. Hence they are equal in size.

Fruthermore, dimensions in this context are inconsistency expressed. They are referred to as spatial dimensions but then they contract this by also expressing them as alternate realities, i.e. "among there are Tiboro's sixth dimension." Which means that the writers had no idea what they were actually trying to describe, and leads me to believe that they thought of it as the universes in the multiverse were like numbers on a real number-axis.

Personally I'm not going to go too hard on it because it's in the same boat as comic science. But to ignore the errors and inconsistencies, and attempt correlate it with cardinal numbers is ridiculous.

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But if you can`t go past 11,where does this 26th dimension come from?
Thats a very good question,it seems to me even though I try to use logic.Some of these string theories,or the universe being a hologram(which the string theory expert didn`t even bring up)are just as good as other theories.So please don`t everyone act like they now it all.They are all just theories that require as much a leap of faith as believing in God I.M.O

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You just can`t say the multiverse is a fact just with mathematics

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A scientific model is either theory or hypothesis, it can't be both; and no phenomena in physics is considered "mathematical fact."

The Many Worlds Interpretation is a hypothesis, meaning that it has no scientific verification.


Here is the article for the experiment.

What they are doing, is trying to create, detect and examine micro-black holes to find out if the gravitational constant is different inside of it. As predicted by bosnic string theory's solution to the hierarchy problem in the standard model.

They tried this before, but couldn't locate any micro-black holes. Now they are using the rainbow gravity metric—a modification of general relativity which predicts that the event horizon of a black hole varies with the wave-length of the light—as an explanation for why they couldn't locate any micro-black holes before; and by now accounting for rainbow gravity they hope to be able to locate them.

Now. To get parallel universes from bosnic string theory you need additional branes next to our, which are not used in this article. So yeah, this is a publicity stunt.

Of course, the dimensions of bosnic string theory have nothing to do with your list of "dimensions." They're expressed in Jordan algebra, and represent the four dimensions of spacetime and its 4 dimensions of internal symmetry-space, 8 dimensions for fermions interaction and 8 dimensions for anti-fermion interaction.


It's funny because bosnic string theory only describes bosons, and not fermions which matter is composed of.




What he does is that he inaccurately explains cardinals numbers by saying: 'For instance: numbers are infinite. So are off numbers. Yet by definition, there are twice as many numbers as there are off numbers. One "infinity" is included within a "larger infinity."' This is wrong because cardinal numbers expresses the size of a set—keep in mind that numbers are defined by sets—determined by the existence of an injection and surjection with other sets of predefined cardinality.

Now. The set of odd numbers can be bijected (an injection that is also a surjection) accordingly:

f: n ↔ 2n - 1

So 1 ↔ 1, 2 ↔ 3, 3 ↔ 5, 4 ↔ 7, etc. so for every number in the first set there is a corresponding number in the second set. Hence they are equal in size.

Fruthermore, dimensions in this context are inconsistency expressed. They are referred to as spatial dimensions but then they contract this by also expressing them as alternate realities, i.e. "among there are Tiboro's sixth dimension." Which means that the writers had no idea what they were actually trying to describe, and leads me to believe that they thought of it as the universes in the multiverse were like numbers on a real number-axis.

Personally I'm not going to go too hard on it because it's in the same boat as comic science. But to ignore the errors and inconsistencies, and attempt correlate it with cardinal numbers is ridiculous.
I for one remember years ago that Kurt Godel proved mathematics is not perfect as far back as the 1930`s!So I need to see this as a lab experiment in the cern super collider,if it is capable!or the Hedron collider for that matter

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I for one remember years ago that Kurt Godel proved mathematics is not perfect as far back as the 1930`s!So I need to see this as a lab experiment in the cern super collider,if it is capable!or the Hedron collider for that matter
I`mj sorry ,the Cern collider and Hedron collider are the same thing,I thought one was in Switzerland and one in U.SA.We where supposed to build the biggest collider in the world,but congress k.o`d it because it would cost 4 or 5 billion dollars at the time.About half the money of a space shuttle,what are these people thinking?

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Fruthermore, dimensions in this context are inconsistency expressed.

They are referred to as spatial dimensions

but then they contract this by also expressing them as alternate realities,

I don't think so friend.

The alternate realities are the actual universes themselves.

The prime universe and its parallel/diverged alternates have 3 dimensional spaces + a 4th (time) within them.

There are other universes outside this grouping that have either more or less spatial dimensions.

That's it.


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