Oh, and for the record, she doesn't need to speak to do magic:
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Next, I predict carver will ask for scans of her doing other things, and then claim she can only shoot blasts without backwards magic. Even though that has never been alluded to.
Doesn't even have to be like I said. I could also say this "Hulk opens up a portal, jump into it and ports behind Zatanna and koes her. Also, this version of Hulk tends to end things quickly. Not in a killing fashion but he delivers enough to drop his opponent.
General population have no clue about the JLD. They know of Z, but in her capacity as a stage illusionist. As far as Doc Green knows, he's fighting Mysterio or David Copperfield.
In there it says, home world, which would include the people that does know about her. Everything they know about her which includes her durability. Anyways, if this isn't something that he knows off hand, then he will probably hold back too much power when attacking her which would probably not end up in his favor. If he does have info on her durability, then I'm giving the guy that recently shook Earth in a fist fight and leveled a city in a single punch the advantage
General population of her homeworld. On DCU Earth, she is known as an illusionist, nothing more. Only the supers know of her, and even then, only a subset know how powerful she is. The GENERAL population, i.e, the vast majority of the six billion or so humans on Earth, don't know anything about her, and those who do, think she's a mere illusionist. So no, the general population either don't know or think she's Mysterio-lite (if they knew who Mysterio was).
So we all agree Z wins.
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You keep using this to bait Carver. Stating it as fact, asking it as a question...
...which is fun, but still.
You telling me Zs never been pictured fighting some menace or other in this media age, or asking?
The fact that general knowledge has become the sticking point means that yes, Z can take Hulk, but only if Hulk doesnt know anything about her and as such just stands there....
Not very likely.
She hasn't. She doesn't go around saving people like in the JLA; the JLD specifically operate from the shadows. Hell, their base of operations was the House of Mystery, lol.
It's not really the sticking point. It was to counteract carver's - IMHO - ridiculous statement that Doc Green would speedblitz, or suddenly start turning into the Spot and start porting behind people to punch them into submission.
CAN he speedblitz? Well, if you allow for him to use feats from other Hulk incarnations - which carver WILL do - then yes. WOULD he? I say no. He will try and gain some measure of his opponent, and attempt to study them. I'm not saying he will start doing a Beast, and try running tests etc mid-battle, but he would try and gain the measure of Zatanna.
Whereas Z, with the benefit of knowing that she's facing a big ugly monster who gets stronger the madder he gets, wouldn't 'try and gain his measure'.
Sometimes. Like, Merged Hulk clearly wasn't as angry as Savage but he was stronger and more durable. Sometimes it depends on control and Doc has a lot of that. And again, Doc specifically states his power level is the same, the only thing that has changed is his mindset. Can't get any clearer than that. By the way, ALL of Hulk fts belong to him. No way around this.
So IOW, the instant someone in here tried to use any of Z's feats, you'd shut them down with Savage Hulk's high end feats, or WB's, or Gray Hulk's, or, as you are already trying to do, Indestructible? Even though we have rulings about using only the Hulks that are named, with the example of WWH?
Nice
Z wins this, and I like how you've agreed too. We argue character here, not powersets. One day, you will learn, I hope.
To get stronger the madder he gets. Linked to his emotions, he is then capable of increasing his strength/healing exponentially.
As his strength increases, other physical characteristics, such as speed and stamina, all of which are linked to his muscles, also increases.
Sometimes, this leads to illogical things - like being able to grab intangible beings, energy, etc. But it is all a function of his emotions. There are two main things to always remember about the Hulk:
1. The madder he is, the stronger he is.
2. He is the strongest there is.
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