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Nephthys
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The biggest problem I had with the plot was that they didn't let me stay in the forest. The game just booted me out and made me a grey Warden. You think with so much "supposed freedom" I could stay in the forest like happy elf hippy and hump the trees till I'm bored. But no lets go kill a dragon.


You can stay in the forest all you want. If you don't advance the plot you can **** around all you want. There's nothing to really do or many people to talk to or places to go and I don't understand why you'd want to do that or why you'd expect Bioware to cater to your silly nonsense but you can do it. I guess.

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Go play Majora's Mask


The game in which you play an actual child? Children's media can have tragic or dark elements and still be for children. Majora's Mask is still a colourful, cartoony fantasy world with a lot of goofy nonsense whose target audience includes children. Compared to Dragon Age and the Witcher, two games that include rape, murder, blood, genocide, racism, sexism etc etc in their narrative, no Zelda game raises an eyebrow.


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Majora's Mask does contain murder, blood, genocide, and racism.


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Comparing the zelda series to these games in terms of maturity is hilarious. They are both heads and shoulders above mutish link and his puberty adventures.


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Quiet you.


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The game in which you play an actual child?

Link's a kid? So was Anne Frank. thumb up

Also he was only a child physically because time travel shenanigans. Even so, the inclusion of a child character does not make the work itself childish.


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Like Arya Stark.


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I don't take you for the type to think in such shallow terms...


Please, tell me I wasn't wrong about this? erm


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Like Arya Stark.

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Quiet you.
Zelda does not stack up to either of these games in terms of maturity. It isn't close.


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Zelda does not stack up to either of these games in terms of maturity. It isn't close.


I'm bored. You're boring.

Impromptu spitefest: Nui vs. Corypheus (because f**k you)! GO!

(BTW, there's a stray letter in your sig. stick out tongue)


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Ok
Damn right.


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I'm bored. You're boring.

Impromptu spitefest: Nui vs. Corypheus (because f**k you)! GO!

(BTW, there's a stray letter in your sig. stick out tongue)

I do not seek to entertain you. I have no idea who that guy is but I do know Corypheus is far greater than Ganondorf.


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I do not seek to entertain you. I have no idea who that guy is but I do know Corypheus is far greater than Ganondorf.


All three of these things are wrong.

1. You're still making petty anti-Zelda threads with the laughably transparent guise of objectivity. You clearly want my attention. Glad to know I live rent-free in your head. thumb up

2.Nui's not a guy.

3. Corypheus get shit on.


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Nui would curbstomp Corypheus. Not fair.

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Majora's Mask does contain murder, blood, genocide, and racism.


In cartoonish ways. It's not as if you actually get to see masses of ripped apart bodies and shit. Or walk through a race-riot. Or watch a friend get his throat slit in front of his children. When people/monsters get hurt they flash different colors and explode into sparkles. The genocide you talk about is a cartoon moon with a face hitting a town. Dark stuff is mostly implied rather than shown in graphic detail. Tonally, these things are nothing alike.

The only thing I said was that these games have different tones. The majority of Majora's Mask (hahaha) is still rather light and kiddy. From the music and design to the characters and themes. Dragon Age and the Witcher are rated mature games and are tonally different from Zelda titles.

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Link's a kid? So was Anne Frank. thumb up

Also he was only a child physically because time travel shenanigans. Even so, the inclusion of a child character does not make the work itself childish.


And that's definitely a valid comparison! Nice job! thumb up

Playing a game from a child's perspective does tend to add a childlike air to things though. Link being a child wasn't the only thing I mentioned, however.

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Originally posted by Sacred 117
Please, tell me I wasn't wrong about this? erm


Nothing I've said has been derogatory. Being childish is not a mark against the work. I simply personally find more mature storyline's to be superior experiences. Maturity alone is not an inherent mark of quality, obviously. Faux-maturity is awful. Just throwing blood and **** everywhere or making pseudo-intellectual monologues about inane bs isn't actually mature writing. But in general I would say that two stories that are equally well told where one is simplistic and childish and the other is mature and complex, then I'd prefer the latter. I watch a lot of cartoons and animated movies, so obviously I have nothing against children's media. I can like childish, immature stuff. But the cartoons I think are superior works are those that touch upon more mature subjects in meaningful ways. I'm simply an adult and thus I'm more interested in stories about politics and psychology and sex and human nature and shit like that. Those kinds of things just strike me as more complex, deep and interesting story elements than you'd (explicitly) find in less mature content. I already acknowledged that this is just my perspective and it's up to personal taste.


If it helps, I do think that the Witcher and Dragon Age are "objectively" better told games with superior storylines. Better stories, better characters, better themes, more interesting settings. Just like I said at the start.


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Originally posted by Sacred 117
All three of these things are wrong.

1. You're still making petty anti-Zelda threads with the laughably transparent guise of objectivity. You clearly want my attention. Glad to know I live rent-free in your head. thumb up

2.Nui's not a guy.

3. Corypheus get shit on.

This is a subjective thread in which people share their opinions on what they prefer.

Whatever nui is probably sucks.

**** no. Unlike Dorf this guy is a threat to a pretty respectable fantasy world that is actually formidable not just some peasant world that relies on some zit faced Link to save it time and time again.


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Originally posted by Nephthys
Nui would curbstomp Corypheus. Not fair.



In cartoonish ways. It's not as if you actually get to see masses of ripped apart bodies and shit. Or walk through a race-riot. Or watch a friend get his throat slit in front of his children. When people/monsters get hurt they flash different colors and explode into sparkles. The genocide you talk about is a cartoon moon with a face hitting a town. Dark stuff is mostly implied rather than shown in graphic detail. Tonally, these things are nothing alike.

The only thing I said was that these games have different tones. The majority of Majora's Mask (hahaha) is still rather light and kiddy. From the music and design to the characters and themes. Dragon Age and the Witcher are rated mature games and are tonally different from Zelda titles.



And that's definitely a valid comparison! Nice job! thumb up

Playing a game from a child's perspective does tend to add a childlike air to things though. Link being a child wasn't the only thing I mentioned, however.



Nothing I've said has been derogatory. Being childish is not a mark against the work. I simply personally find more mature storyline's to be superior experiences. Maturity alone is not an inherent mark of quality, obviously. Faux-maturity is awful. Just throwing blood and **** everywhere or making pseudo-intellectual monologues about inane bs isn't actually mature writing. But in general I would say that two stories that are equally well told where one is simplistic and childish and the other is mature and complex, then I'd prefer the latter. I watch a lot of cartoons and animated movies, so obviously I have nothing against children's media. I can like childish, immature stuff. But the cartoons I think are superior works are those that touch upon more mature subjects in meaningful ways. I'm simply an adult and thus I'm more interested in stories about politics and psychology and sex and human nature and shit like that. Those kinds of things just strike me as more complex, deep and interesting story elements than you'd (explicitly) find in less mature content. I already acknowledged that this is just my perspective and it's up to personal taste.


If it helps, I do think that the Witcher and Dragon Age are "objectively" better told games with superior storylines. Better stories, better characters, better themes, more interesting settings. Just like I said at the start.


Good. Just making sure. Haha big grin

You're alright, Neph. thumb up


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This is a subjective thread in which people share their opinions on what they prefer.

Whatever nui is probably sucks.

**** no. Unlike Dorf this guy is a threat to a pretty respectable fantasy world that is actually formidable not just some peasant world that relies on some zit faced Link to save it time and time again.


Sure... one you made pretending to have a balanced perspective.

I don't like her either, but <<<<Corypheus. I mainly just want to see you and FA fight now. stick out tongue

More simplistic, inaccurate insults, huh? ("Zit-faced" pretty boy? "Peasant world" with a kingdom?) I hoped you would be more fun. C'mon, man! Where's your flavor?



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Majora's Mask ideas and concepts > More than anything I saw in Dragon Age

For all the murder and blood and guts on screen its fairly shallow and predictable. The kinda thing a 14 year old will obsess over and horrible things does not equal maturity.

Dragon Age had good RPG gameplay and a complex setting. But all in all its quite shallow compared to some of the more literary titles of the Zelda Series.


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You can stay in the forest all you want. If you don't advance the plot you can **** around all you want. There's nothing to really do or many people to talk to or places to go and I don't understand why you'd want to do that or why you'd expect Bioware to cater to your silly nonsense but you can do it. I guess.


That's what I meant. When I wanted to dawdle and **** around like I do in free roam games everything was boring... I didn't like that aspect... But like you said I can't expect BioWare to accommodate for my time wasting shenanigans.


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Majora's Mask ideas and concepts > More than anything I saw in Dragon Age

For all the murder and blood and guts on screen its fairly shallow and predictable. The kinda thing a 14 year old will obsess over and horrible things does not equal maturity.

Dragon Age had good RPG gameplay and a complex setting. But all in all its quite shallow compared to some of the more literary titles of the Zelda Series.


I'd certainly agree that MM had more "depth" than any DA game (aside perhaps from DA2).

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