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Asajj Ventress vs. Revan [SABERS ONLY]
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carthage
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Revan dies


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AncientPower
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Asajj Ventress plainly has better dueling feats against much greater duelists, the TOR brigade should accept this.


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carthage
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NTJack0
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Revan loses.

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XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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Ah, the complex nature of logical fallacies. LeGenD's discrediting of Rayla (wink) due to her past false attribution (which is a fallacy) is a fallacy, Rayla's insults to LeGenD's beliefs for alleged bias is bulverism, and there's just ad hominem all around. I've probably committed one or two myself in this thread. Kind of a random thought, but after studying them, (though not as in depth as I'd like,) it's hard to ignore how often they're commited.

[SPOILER - highlight to read]: its harder to be objective than I thought, Gideon.


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AncientPower
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How long is that joke going to continue? If I wanted to I could call you a Sinious sock but that would be equally absurd. Friendly advice: logical fallacies are exceptionally common and happen regardless of one's observation. When it comes to the likes of LeGenD however 'fallacy' doesn't quite cover it. I would think complete lack of objectivity would be more suitable as logical fallacies are but a symptom of his unfathomable bias.


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Legend must feel pretty important with all the limelight he's been getting recently.

Legend be like "the new TOR expansion looks-"

Ancient be like

YOU ****ING BIASED LUNATIC GTFO *insert PT character here* > *insert TOR character here* DEAL WITH IT

And then Legend responds more calmly but with equal amounts of ad hominem.


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AncientPower
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Quite the opposite, LeGenD is the one whom continuously insults and wall of texts me(and plenty others) for daring to believe that Count Dooku and Darth Maul are superior opponents to generic Lords of the Sith Empire.

If I am to be heckled for not putting up with his insults to common sense then so be it.


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Please don't act like you guys aren't going back and forth in every second thread. It's pretty fun to read when you aren't doing anything. You guys are like a daily source of entertainment at times.


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AncientPower
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Not intentionally, I believe he does so because I assert that *Insert other era character here* > *Insert TOR era character here*. This of course means I need to be educated about SWTOR related characters and must sit through his pages of generic irrelevant encyclopedic hype.


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S_W_LeGenD
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Originally posted by AncientPower
Please educate yourself with the lore, the Jedi were using them before they encountered the Sith, where in they developed Shii-Cho to counter blaster weilding opponents. When they began to encounter other Force users they developed Form II: Makashi which is the classic dueling form.

I am well-informed in this regard, thank you.

You on the other-hand...

Form III:

The third major lightsaber discipline was first developed in response to the advancement of blaster technology in the galaxy. As these weapons spread wildly into the hands of evil doers, Jedi had to develop unique means for defending themselves. Form III that arose from "laserblast" deflection training. Over the centuries, it has transcended this origin to become a highly refined expression of non-aggressive Jedi philosophy.

Taken from Fightsaber

Form I represents standard Jedi martial arts or balanced combat philosophy and its simplicity is a strength in itself.

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My debating history is of harvard quality compared to the insults to logic which you have displayed for years.

I didn't realize that Harvard encouraged people to post mostly unsubstantiated bullshit, exaggerate stuff, and rely mostly on memory then actual references to formulate arguments, till now. This sums up your debating history that I have witnessed so far.

Also, whenever you mention a name, do not forget to use capital for the starting letter. Names should be distinguished from normal words. Harvard did not teach you even basic English writing skills?

I don't get the reason for your aggression and superiority complex with such shameful record. Again, you should refrain from personal attacks in your responses for your own good.

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AncientPower
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"Unsubstantiated bullshit", tell me again how Lords of the Sith Empire = Darth Maul & Darth Tyranus.

Please don't try to educate others on grammar and the written word, you've written in broken English since as long as I can remembr.


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S_W_LeGenD
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Provide feats that place anyone else of those forms as a challenge to three of the best master swordsmen from the peak of the Golden Age of the Jedi that have statements calling them the most developed and greatest users of their forms.

Is Golden Age supposed to imply something? Kindly elaborate with information from relevant citations.

When it comes to competitiveness, terms such as Golden Age do not carry much weight, per my understanding; the Golden Age of Sith is proof of my position in this regard.

I do not deny progress in refinement of dueling forms such as Form V and Form VII with passage of time but it would be a stretch to assume that ancient masters of lightsaber dueling arts would not be able to compete with and/or outduel PT/OT era masters of lightsaber dueling arts in a serious duel. As I pointed out earlier, effectiveness of a Jedi in combat situation is dependent upon multiple factors and not just on proficiency in lightsaber dueling arts. I don't feel the need to repeat this point again and again. Any fan, who is well-informed about the lore, would understand my point.

Once again, as an example, Revan is not complemented for his proficiency in lightsaber dueling arts but he effortlessly out-dueled a master swordsman (i.e. Imperial Guard) in one of his documented martial confrontations. Revan's exceptional precognitive abilities and impressive speed made the difference; in short, Revan's ability to use the Force. And mindset.

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Luke Skywalker whom has the best dueling ability of all time is stated to have replicated Vader's form perfectly by ROTJ and refined it even further afterwards.

Luke Skywalker "arguably" has the best dueling ability. Understand? When you make a bold assertion such as this one, make a habit to offer evidence as well.

Luke have rivals in Darth Caedus, Yoda, HoT, and perhaps Tulak Hord. Perhaps even more.

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Darth Malak and Darth Malgus only have implied mastery of forms and generic great duelist accolades. Falling completely short of the feats that the PT swordsmen can call on.

Darth Malgus have some well-documented dueling feats. And I haven't seen better from PT era duelists. Enlighten me, if I am wrong.

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Stigma
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Originally posted by carthage
Revan dies

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Double post FTW
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Originally posted by AncientPower
Asajj Ventress plainly has better dueling feats against much greater duelists, the TOR brigade should accept this.

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Originally posted by ILS
Legend must feel pretty important with all the limelight he's been getting recently.

Legend be like "the new TOR expansion looks-"

Ancient be like

YOU ****ING BIASED LUNATIC GTFO *insert PT character here* > *insert TOR character here* DEAL WITH IT

And then Legend responds more calmly but with equal amounts of ad hominem.


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Originally posted by ILS
Please don't act like you guys aren't going back and forth in every second thread. It's pretty fun to read when you aren't doing anything. You guys are like a daily source of entertainment at times.


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Col. Valerian
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I wouldn't say Revan is a better duelist, but I wouldn't go as far as saying he gets beaten by her easily. If she is indeed better and does win, it would probably still be a lengthy and torturous duel. Revan's no pushover in any aspect of his game.

If this was all-out, Asajj would be crushed.

I don't even like Revan that much doe


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Dark-Kenshin
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Revan. No question.

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Selenial
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Originally posted by ILS
Please don't act like you guys aren't going back and forth in every second thread. It's pretty fun to read when you aren't doing anything. You guys are like a daily source of entertainment at times.


This is so true laughing out loud

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