Even so, his GoD telling him to "ignore the small fry" is the worst advice ever in this kind of tournament. There's no one who should even make him exert a fraction of his power, he should have been told to steamroll anyone in berween him and Goku.
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Yes Galan, tell us if you want to be remotely in step with someone who argued this:
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Ultra Instinct Goku shaking it is precisely why the feat doesn't put him above Beerus. The GoD's have attained Ultra Instinct, and Beerus, along with Quitela, is the mightiest GoD.
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So what the hfil does Goku eat at King Kai anyways?
Pork and rice?
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Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
I think when Goku was coming up out of the dirt in his new form and Whis asked him "Beerus, do you have anything to say", while smiling, Whis wanted Beerus to bring up Goku power level vs his.
Whis has outright stated(in both the anime and manga) that once the Saiyans *master* UI, they will be able to defeat ANY opponent. Given the power/ability Jiren has displayed thus far, I'd say he definitely uses UI to an extent(effortlessly trouncing Hit and his time-skip alone is indicative of such, imo)... But I don't think he's fully mastered it yet, otherwise he'd logically transcend ALL of the GoDs w/o much issue.
Given what we know about Jiren, however, I'd say he's more proficient with UI than all of the GoDs barring Beerus and Quitela(assuming he does in fact use it.) I mean, he wasn't exactly surprised by UI when Goku unlocked UI -- in fact, he seemed quite familiar with the ability, and even seemed to know its limitations. /shrug
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Yes, but Goku, even by the end of this tournament, has only just attained Ultra Instinct. God knows how long the likes of Beerus has had it. I don't think it's 100% certain that Goku will be above Beerus by the end of this tournament. Later, absolutely.
The angels have also completely mastered UI, so Goku will probably have to reach some level beyond even that.
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I think Goku will certainly be on par with Beerus by the end of the ToP -- beating Jiren alone would indicate such, imo, given that Jiren is already > some of the GoDs.
...But if Goku ends up surpassing Beerus by the end of this arc, I wouldn't be surprised either. That's been Toriyama's endgame since DBS's inception, after all. /shrug
*enter SSJUI*
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Last edited by Galan007 on Nov 9th, 2017 at 01:26 AM
You really never know, with Beerus. Many times in DBS it seems like Goku has finally surpassed him, only for that to not be the case. I'm not gonna definitively say Jiren or UI Goku is above Beerus or vice versa quite yet.
And if that's toriyama's end game, it won't happen by the end of this arc. Because this isn't the last arc in DBS.
Goku will train under Daishinkan to master something beyond UI.
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Goku could match(or even surpass) Beerus by the end of this arc and it wouldn't change much. After all, Whis is the one training him... And Goku is still nowhere near his level.
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I agree. Goku should beat Beerus to surpass him, and he should lose the rematch. Goku not being able to outpace a rival is one of the few interesting things in this godforsaken, stinking pile of horse manure.
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The long awaited Beerus rematch would be one of the best ways to get the ratings back up. They’d have to be stupid not to... unless it’s UI Monaka, the strongest mortal of U7.
It's funny that they dropped off only in Japan and not overseas though. Wonder what the reason is.. Could it be the land of used panty vending machines has viewers with better taste and standards then our slackjawed otaku when it comes to anime? They'll watch someone eat poop in porn, but Dragon Ball Super is just too horrible for them?
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Nov 8th, 2017 11:17 PM
Goku will train under Daishinkan to master something beyond UI.
