The RoF manga literally carries the exact same canonical affiliations as the DBS manga. Same author/illustrator, same overseer, same serializing media, same publisher, etc.
The story stopping just before Freeza becomes Golden certainly doesn't make it non-canon, and/or 'dubious' material. Remember, the RoF manga was actually released just BEFORE the film -- they didn't want to spoil the film's 'big reveals' by depicting Golden Freeza and SSB Goku(both transformations were completely unknown at the time.)
But again, there is absolutely NO reason to doubt its canonicity.
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How is half a story that will never be finished grounds for making it canon just because someone who ended up writing the manga wrote a promotion for a movie that was coming out? Nothing even remotely suggests it's canon to the manga.
In the actual released volumes the arc isn't anywhere to be found. If it was put into those volumes then there would be a case of it being part of the actual manga. Heck, the actual manga says that Freeza was revived and immediately launched his assault on Earth, but the movie, and one-shot manga it's months later when he does.
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Manga route? Does that mean Golden Frieza never happened in the manga and he was just chilling and training since his revival? Goku later finds Frieza and invite to the tournament of power? So Frieza still ends up in the tournament, but without a halo?
What are you talking about? As mentioned: the RoF manga literally carries the EXACT SAME canonical affiliations as the DBS manga... SAME author/illustrator(Toyotaro), SAME overseer(Toriyama), SAME serializing media(V-Jump), SAME publisher(Shueisha Inc.), etc. The manga predates the film, so obviously it's not going to spoil the HUGE transformation reveals from the film itself(it already spoiled enough as-is.) But why on earth you think that makes the rest of the manga's Chapters non-canon by default, literally makes no coherent sense.
Eh, since when did being released in collected-format become the one and only benchmark for canonicity? Again, your opinion here makes no sense at all -- it's as if you're overlooking, and/or ignoring everything else we know about the manga's production. I don't get it..?
Anyway, the RoF manga is irrefutable canon until *proven* otherwise, period.
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Wait so if Toriyama/Toyotaro haven't forgotten about Uub, then does this mean that End of Z is still a thing...which would make the ToP completely stake-less? Aside from expanding the DBZ universe, is there any reason to care about any of these eliminations?
It's interesting because the EoZ arc does appear to still be intact/canon, which means that U7 ultimately does survive the ToP(assuming a massive retcon doesn't happen, of course.) What we don't know is *how* U7 gets there, and what exactly happens to the rest of DB cosmology in the wake of the ToP..? So from *that* perspective the ToP is still very important -- it dictates pretty much everything that happens moving forward. /shrug
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Uh, even if EoZ wasn't a thing we know U7 would survive somehow. They aren't just going to end the story by blowing up the universe and everyone there lol. What a stupid ass complaint.
Yes, but for the record that doesn't necessarily mean that it's part of the manga's continuity. It was a one-shot that was attached to the movies, which continuity-wise are separate from both the anime and the manga.
It was done before the start of the manga's serialization, and possibly before Toyotaro even got the manga deal. Remember that the power scaling and mechanics of SSJG were set up differently from the movies to the manga, and it's easy to see which interpretation the RoF one-shot takes, which imo is the most obvious indicator.
It's basically to the RoF movie what the current manga is to the anime, and like the movies, is insulated from the manga and anime. At least, that's how I see it.
I suppose I could buy that if the DBS manga itself didn't stop right before the RoF manga started(with Sorbet and Tagoma searching for the Dragon Balls in order to resurrect Freeza), skip over the RoF arc entirely(presumably because that arc already had a serialized/published manga written by the SAME entities), and then resume with the U6 vs. U7 Tournament.
Literally everything we know about manga-canonicity as it pertains to DB says the RoF manga is canon -- linking to the film certainly doesn't 'de-canonize' it... And if it *weren't* canon we'd undoubtedly know it by now, imo. /shrug
But you two are welcome to your opinions... I really don't care either way.
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Well, considering how there's three different equally official versions of BoG and RoF, I wouldn't really say there's any such thing as a coherent canon for Dragon Ball Super. Rather, I just see it as three different continuities; the movies, the anime, and the manga. And like I said, I think the RoF one-shot falls into the "movies" category for reasons I specified earlier.
As for why the entire arc was skipped in RoF, my personal suspicion is that it was to get a head start on the anime (the BoG arc was also heavily cut down for this reason). I don't really think it was assumed that readers would have jumped to the one-shot between chapters 4 and 5 or anything like that.
So, what happens if Goku presses the Zeno button during the ToP?
Can he talk Zeno into erasing everyone for him?
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Dec 17th, 2017 04:46 PM
, tbh.
