*'full-power' Vegeta gets casually ragdolled by Jiren.
*Goku finally get's back to HIS full power in ep. 123.
*#17 will undoubtedly be eliminated.
*And as most of us have assumed: Jiren has only used a relatively small percentage of his power thus far, and can effortlessly stomp Goku AND Vegeta while holding back tremendously... At this point I can see a 'peak' Jiren being > ALL the Hakaishin, tbh. The hyper-wank he's received thus far is absolutely staggering.
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Oh, and it's almost starting to sound like Toppo will become more than just a *candidate* for U11's Hakaishin... It's sounding like he will *become* U11's Hakaishin in the VERY near future.
Perhaps Belmond officially retires, and makes Toppo the new Hakaishin during the final leg of this Tourney, to try and give U11 the advantage..?
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I'm going to laugh out loud if U11 wins the tournament, and Jiren wish's everyone back.
And then Goku can whine he lost his chance to wish for a really strong opponent. Everybody face palms.
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Galan, the translation for the episode 123 spoiler is misleading. Other translations say that Vegeta loses to Jiren "despite putting up a decent fight," as opposed to "without putting up a decent fight."
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Of course Goku will win! Like he did against Zamasu...
...uuuuu yeah. Trunks lost his timeline.
But Freeza's plot failed!
...after Whis intervened, and undid his plot which totally succeeded.
But there's still, ah..
Beerus?
.....yeeah.
U7 just might get erased, and saved by Jiren.
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What if... Freeza betrays everyone, and somehow unlocks his own UI. Gets Goku eliminated, and everyone else.
Leaving Freeza...
vs..
Jiren.
Jiren suddenly becomes the hero.
Freeza, of course, wants absolute power, while Jiren vows to save everybody.
What do you think?
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That'd be almost as good as if it were revealed that Goku secretly went to Zen-Oh beforehand, and made him promise not to *actually* erase the universes during the ToP... He just wanted everyone to *think* the universes had been erased for some extra motivation to ensure they went all-out or some shit.
...But in all seriousness, I am thinking that either Jiren or Freeza will win this thing. Jiren evidently has a shocking 'wish' to make, and Freeza has some underlying machinations that have not yet been fully realized.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Dec 31st, 2017 at 12:37 AM
Regardless of how accurate Herms' translations are(and they are very accurate most of the time, tbh), they're still coming from Toei's *previews*... And previews can often be quite deceptive in their own right, and shouldn't be fully relied on... Said previews/translations should just serve as a loose guide regarding what we can expect in episodes to come.
ie. we know Vegeta will ultimately get shit-stomped by Jiren, we know Goku will get back to full power in ep. 123, we know #17 will be eliminated, we know Jiren will casually trounce Goku AND Vegeta whilst holding back, we know Toppo will reach a new tier of power, etc.
The biggest "?" for me right now, however, is Toppo. As mentioned: everything I have read/seen thus far indicates that in one of the next few episodes he will either unlock Hakaishin-level power, OR become a bonafide Hakaishin himself(thanks to Belmond retiring mid-battle or somesuch.) Since Toppo is one of my favorite 'new' characters(second only to Hit), I am very eager for this reveal... It should be pretty damned awesome, regardless.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Dec 31st, 2017 at 02:04 AM
IKR? Toppo is my favorite new character for some reason. I suspect he's gonna unlock hakaishin level power, as I suspect he will be the source of the "pure, overwhelming power." He'll definitively surpass Hit, I hope.
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Yeah, I really like him as a character for some reason. Unlike the majority of characters in the ToP, Toppo(and ALL of the Pride Troopers for that matter) is/are legitimately good... Like, could probably lift Mjolnir level of good. Dig it.
Herms pointed this out, and it makes sense: the word "kourin" is used in the Japanese title for episode 125. Evidently this is a fancy word meaning "the descent/arrival of a God to Earth". Previously in DBS/BoG, it was used to describe Beerus' arrival on earth... So that also points in the direction of Toppo becoming an *actual* Hakaishin, and not just unlocking a similar level of power... Which would be a REALLY cool twist, imo(even though it'd be somewhat cheapened when he is inevitably beaten by a member of U7.) It should be a fun reveal either way, though.
Well, if Toppo legitimately becomes Hakaishin-level(even if he's 'only' equal to a lower-level Hakaishin), he should still be WAY above Hit, tbh. Even Goku noted how ridiculously inferior he was compared to all of the Hakaishin when he watched them fight in the manga's adaption of the Zen Exhibition match: https://i.imgur.com/XjlUaSh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/HWtxcZ7.jpg
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Last edited by Galan007 on Dec 31st, 2017 at 02:47 AM
It would be cool to see Belmond "knight" Toppo with divine ki, annointing him as the new GOD of his universe. You can't be a Destructor without divine ki afteall, and Toppo is definitely a character you can rely on to never abuse that power.
Wow thanks guys. I haven't read the manga in a few months. I really need to catch up with that.
Those pages also seems to imply that Toppo learned how to cast God ki from Lord Belmond? I didn't realize they had trained together enough for him to have "learned" something like that. Holy crap!
As of the Zen Exhibition Match, Belmond was literally a few DAYS away from stepping down as Hakaishin, and passing the torch over to Toppo: https://i.imgur.com/cdXJZE8.jpg
Fast-forward to the ToP(40hrs later), and Belmond could very well be MINUTES away from retiring, tbh.
So yeah, at this point I would imagine that he's been grooming Toppo to take his place as Hakaishin for a LONG time now... To the point where Toppo's training is likely complete, and he is fully prepared to take on the role/responsibility of Hakaishin.
*If nothing else, I hope DBS actually does show us how a 'mortal' transitions into the Hakaishin of their universe.
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