-Well Jiren is a complete douchebag. Aside from strength, he has NO redeeming qualities as a character in the anime... Hopefully the manga changes that. As for the 'big bad' revealed in Jiren's backstory, I'm pretty sure it was Belmond himself -- that would actually make the most sense, based on what we know now about Jiren's [douchey] characterization.
-#17 is THE mvp of the Tourney. Not only did he save Goku, Vegeta, AND Freeza from getting eliminated(again), but he also played head games with Jiren. Loved it... He's also a LOT more powerful than anyone could have ever guessed.
-It is absolutely ridiculous how much Goku and Vegeta's powers have increased during the ToP. Namek-era zenkais don't even begin to compare to what we've seen here.
-Freeza came out looking utterly pathetic. His desperation was facepalm-worthy.
-Next episode base Vegeta will somehow manage to fight Jiren for an expended period of time, before getting eliminated. At the end of the ep., Goku will start transforming into [mastered] UI.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Feb 11th, 2018 at 04:23 PM
Well, that was expected. Frieza is a prideful guy, always have been and these past couple of episodes, he has been irrelevant, sitting on the backline while Goku and Vegeta shined. His reaction is, well, pretty got darn obvious. He's not use to being treated as if he is insignificant.
For me not the best, but far from a douchebag and I hope he wins the tournament. He has a goal and he doesn't care (he does care actually, but he has his goal) and wants to achieve it no matter what. He is a beast and deep honorable man.
Last edited by Inedian on Feb 11th, 2018 at 06:45 PM
Jiren is a straight-up arrogant douche, who uses others(ie. the Pride Troopers) to further his own, self-indulgent agendas. Personal strength/power is literally *all* he cares about -- f*ck the weak. If that makes him 'honorable', then you must know of an entirely different definition of the word...
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"I am tired of Earth. These people.
I am tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives."
Last edited by Galan007 on Feb 11th, 2018 at 06:58 PM
Entire DB series for me. He makes majin buu look like the Joker or Darth Vader by comparison. Terrible villain. Just awful. I'm convinced Toriyama's notes solely comprised of "really really strong gray dude."
Jiren isn't a villain nor meant to be though he's basically a less determined maijin vegeta because all he cares about is his goal except if that was really all he cared about he wouldn't have avoided actually knocking people off the whole tournament..it's pretty obvious he didn't want to have the eliminated universes on his conscience. Maijin vegeta was a more convincing actor he was willing to kill plenty still not a villain though. On another note vegeta played on toppos mental and toppo immediately began looking less formidable I'm thinking we may see the beginning of jiren wavering after what 17 said to him
I think you're giving the writers way too much credit and would cite to you the instance of Jiren knocking Hit outta the ring as proof that he's not going around deliberately failing to knock people out of the ring. That's an issue almost every non-U7 character has had. Hardly anybody but members of U7 have actually knocked people out of the ring. U7 mowed down over 90% of the competitors, basically making this tournament one big prolonged battle of "king of the hill" as opposed to an actual "battle royale."
Exactly. He is far more honorable and deeper than anyone in U7. He is what he is, he doesn't owe anything to anyone, he is a loner, Pride Troopers can say no to him and abandon him, he doesn't force them. He has also probably saved many lives as Pride Tooper. He has immense willpower, immense strength that he achieved himself and a real yogi actually, a real meditant... that's real deepness. He has honor to himself. Where is the honor of weaklings? Is their honor to stay weak? Where is honor in that? Everyone has that choice that Jiren chose, if they want to stay weak... f*uck them, why he should care about weak. It's not his job and he is also not a killer. Deep man is something different than those ''virtues'' or to care about others (that in reallity you actually don't care) etc... he can be a bad man, a true villain and far more deeper than anyone else.
Jiren is the man he will care only about those he has real deep relationship. F*uck those shallow attachments.
Last edited by Inedian on Feb 11th, 2018 at 08:01 PM
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