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Rank Grant Morrison's Metatextual Beings

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The Empty Hand
Thought-Robot/Mandrakk/The Gentry
Ultra


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The Empty Hand
Thought-Robot/Mandrakk/The Gentry
Ultra


Wow, what makes you think Empty Hand>>Cosmic Armor Supes?

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Would The Empty Hand be beyond michael and lucifer?

Or even the Great Evil Beast?


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Would The Empty Hand be beyond michael and lucifer?

Or even the Great Evil Beast?


Way beyond Michael or Lucifer, IMO.

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Empty hand is difficult to gauge, but considering that he's above nix uotan, the gentry, etc, then he might be beyond even the thought robot and mandrakk...

Difficult to say, but I think Morrison's telling us that he's beyond Mandrakk or at the very least his equal.


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Don't forget the Decreator.

Basically the shadow of Alan Moore's Great Evil Beast.

And it was never stopped. The best Black Alice could do was slow it down by transmitting cosmic static from an old building (That plays nicely into the later idea that to destroy Earth is to destroy the multiverse)


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Also, What would the Metatextual Beings from Swamp Thing rank as well?


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Don't forget the Decreator.

Basically the shadow of Alan Moore's Great Evil Beast.

And it was never stopped. The best Black Alice could do was slow it down by transmitting cosmic static from an old building (That plays nicely into the later idea that to destroy Earth is to destroy the multiverse)


Totally forgot about Decreator. Morrison, right?

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Also, What would the Metatextual Beings from Swamp Thing rank as well?


These guys?

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Yep.


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Totally forgot about Decreator. Morrison, right?

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Yeah, Morrison's Doom Patrol.


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Wow, what makes you think Empty Hand>>Cosmic Armor Supes?
The fact that he/it is far beyond The Gentry.


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gentry ultimately proved to be.....disappointing though, so not sure that, atm, it means much that he was beyond them. regardless of their metatextual existence, they still got their a$$ handed to them in the end. TEH could have thrown more and more and overwhelmed the heroes, obviously, but i don't think that, individually, they were very powerful. that bleed creature was going to devour hellmachine as well.


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Didn't one of those Gentry creatures devour a universe?

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As far as the heroes 'beating' The Gentry, I think TEH allowed that to happen--hence E-23 Superman skeptically noting that the battle was "too easy" afterward:
http://i.imgur.com/DVvTloR.jpg
This holds especially true when we consider how easily Intellectron alone handled SuperJudge Nix Uotan in the first issue, as well as Ultra. /shrug


Anywho, I think TEH allowed the heroes to win, because he wanted them to come through the door and see him in the 'flesh'... He wanted them to know that he is controlling everything... He wanted them to know that they are up against impossible odds. Imo.


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As far as the heroes 'beating' The Gentry, I think TEH allowed that to happen--hence E-23 Superman skeptically noting that the battle was "too easy" afterward:
http://i.imgur.com/DVvTloR.jpg
This holds especially true when we consider how easily Intellectron alone handled SuperJudge Nix Uotan in the first issue, as well as Ultra. /shrug


Anywho, I think TEH allowed the heroes to win, because he wanted them to come through the door and see him in the 'flesh'... He wanted them to know that he is controlling everything... He wanted them to know that they are up against impossible odds. Imo.


maybe...but i think trying to gauge these guys relative to each other (intellectron vs ultra for example) is pretty tough to do. you could be right about TEH letting them win. i'm more inclined to believe that he simply didn't want to send in reinforcements though, as opposed to each of the gentry having been....less powerful somehow? or maybe each aspect can be broken down, (hence the multiple copies) and the heroes only faced one facet of each? maybe. guess we'll need to see more of them to adequately gauge. over all impression though: i am disappoint. sad


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Yeah, for a 9 issue series that took 6+ years to write, the ending was very poorly handled, imo. Shame, too, because the rest series is some of the best reading I've ever done.

Anyway, I REALLY wish we would have seen more of Quantum Supes. That guy is ungodly powerful(perhaps even moreso than The Gentry themselves), and one of the more interesting characters out there... But he 'ported to an unknown universe after reading Ultra Comics, and was MIA for the entire event.... Though maybe TEH arranged the events leading up to that, because he knew QS might pose a legit threat?


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I think that if thought robot power is truly story and concept of superman itself, nothing in comics can defeat that.
Off course it is only my opinion and I don't know whether TR is truly embodiment of Superman's story and concept or not.

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Yeah, for a 9 issue series that took 6+ years to write, the ending was very poorly handled, imo. Shame, too, because the rest series is some of the best reading I've ever done.

Anyway, I REALLY wish we would have seen more of Quantum Supes. That guy is ungodly powerful(perhaps even moreso than The Gentry themselves), and one of the more interesting characters out there... But he 'ported to an unknown universe after reading Ultra Comics, and was MIA for the entire event.... Though maybe TEH arranged the events leading up to that, because he knew QS might pose a legit threat?


maybe. i'd be a little surprised if it turned out TEH was concerned about QS though. i'm assuming his level will be...pretty extreme. tbh, i'm not sure WHAT anyone will do with QS. he is an awesome character. concept is fantastic--i would imagine he'll be turning up in operation justice incarnate. i wonder if ultra will show up there as well? pretty sure we'll see the super judge in there/ can't believe these characters would simply....disappear. i'm guessing that will be some sort of multiversal JL. could be very cool, and a nice way of keeping all these alternates alive in other stories.

of course, on the other side, it seems dc is getting RID of all the alternates. i find the timing of publication between convergence and multiversity....odd. both are HUGE events, but is it me, or do they seem utterly and diametrically opposed....? confused guess we'll need to wait ans see. and maybe hope...?


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