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Trocity
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Qui-Gon Jinn vs Ven Zallow

Can't remember if this has been done.

Who wins?


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Re: Qui-Gon Jinn vs Ven Zallow

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Can't remember if this has been done.

Who wins?


It's been done. For the most logical and well thought result watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5W..._A_&index=3

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Zallow or it could go either way


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Jinn in my opinion takes this. Though depending on how good these two are in the end it comes down to who is going to tire faster and who has enough endurance/stamina to pull through with a win. At least that's how I see it.


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Either way.

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Re: Re: Qui-Gon Jinn vs Ven Zallow

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It's been done. For the most logical and well thought result watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5W..._A_&index=3


He may be right in that vid, but those youtubers are overall terrible. It is a shame to use their vids as an examples of anything.

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Jinn-kun.


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Jinn-sama I would say

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Ven Zallow:-

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Zallow produces a blur of precision and speed with his lightsaber and cuts through competent Sith Warriors like a knife through butter.

Malgus finally spotted Master Zallow ten paces away, whirling, spinning, his green blade a blur of precision and speed. One Sith Warrior fell to him, then another.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Deceived

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Zallow blitzes two competent Sith Warriors simultaneously.

They lunged for him and Zallow parried one blow, leapt over the second, and spun a rapid circle, cutting down both Sith.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Deceived

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Zallow overwhelms Lord Adraas.

Lord Adraas landed before him, trying to take Malgus's kill for himself. Adraas ducked low and slashed at Zallow's knees. Zallow leapt over the blow and unleashed a blast of energy that sent Adraas skidding on his backside across the hall.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Deceived

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Zallow counter's firepower of Eleena Daaru without even looking at her and sends her crashing into a pillar.

She emerged from behind the column, deduced Malgus's intent, and fired several shots at Zallow.

Zallow, his eyes on Malgus throughout, deflected the bolts with his blade and sent them back at Eleena. Two struck her, and as she collapsed Zallow used a Force blast to drive her body against a column.


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Malgus finds only Zallow as a worthy opponent for him inside the Jedi Temple.

Malgus knew the battle had turned, that it soon would be over. He glanced around, still seeking Zallow, the only opponent in the field worthy of his attention.

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NOTE: Zallow's peers inside the Jedi Temple included Jedi Master Usma (one of the finest swordsmen of the Order) and Bengel Morr (became a major threat to the Jedi Order on Tython after his fall to the dark side).

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Zallow outduels a Sith Warrior and swiftly dodges Darth Malgus's lightsaber throw attack with acrobatic maneuvers from short distance.

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Zallow - even after being driven through a fallen concrete section - packs sufficient strength and vigilance to evade Malgus's incoming attack.

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Zallow exchanges blows with Malgus, matching the strength of the Sith Lord.

Their blades sizzling in opposition, each used the Force to press against the strength of the other, but neither had an obvious advantage.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Deceived

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Zallow injures Malgus.

Lunging forward, Zallow slashed crosswise, Malgus parried, and Zallow slammed the hilt of his saber into the side of Malgus' jaw. A tooth dislodged and his respirator was knocked askew. Malgus tasted blood.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Deceived

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NOTE: Sith Warriors - who raided the Jedi Temple on Coruscant - were among the best of the Empire.

In advance of the fleet, the strongest Sith Warriors have flown a stolen Republic ship into Coruscant's orbit. Their mission is critical – to destroy the planet's defense grid mainframe hidden in the heart of the Jedi Temple.

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Zallow


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Zallow

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Re: Re: Re: Qui-Gon Jinn vs Ven Zallow

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He may be right in that vid, but those youtubers are overall terrible. It is a shame to use their vids as an examples of anything.


Sorry but I have to disagree with that. Overall those youtubers are absolute geniuses who provide logical evaluations and detailed analyses. Watching these videos is a great inspiration to me. They understand the importance of not only "what he did" but also "HOW and WHY he did it."

Anyway, Qui-Gon wins this one. The thing about Zallow is that he was really good at battlefield engagements. In a one-on-one duel he is severely hampered. People keep raving about how he killed multiple Sith in the temple battle but again, that was the kind of situation he was optimised for.

His style is textbook Ataru and is basically all speed and offense, the better to cut down as many foes as quick as possible. Because of this "attack only" view his defences are lacking. Notice how when forced onto the defensive he floundered and could barely avoid being utterly flattened. Also, at the end of the fight he leaves himself absurdly wide open which results in him getting stabbed. Qui-Gon doesn't make these kind of mistakes due to his more refined and less flashy style.

Against Qui-Gon Jinn, who has not only mastered Ataru but also modified it to better suit his needs, Zallow would be highly predictable, especially given how adaptable and improvisational Qui-Gon is. Qui-Gon's style has all the benefits while compensating for the weaknesses. Zallow's does not.

Quite simply, Qui-Gon is the winner.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Qui-Gon Jinn vs Ven Zallow

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Also, at the end of the fight he leaves himself absurdly wide open which results in him getting stabbed. Qui-Gon doesn't make these kind of mistakes due to his more refined and less flashy style.

This is the most ironic thing I've ever read.

Anyway Zallow.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Qui-Gon Jinn vs Ven Zallow

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This is the most ironic thing I've ever read.

Anyway Zallow.


Interesting that neither of you can offer any sort of justification or proof whereas I have.

Face facts. Qui-Gon is just better. He's more refined, more skilled, more adaptable. Zallow's by-the-book approach would allow Qui-Gon to easily anticipate and outmanoeuvre him. That is just common sense.

Zallow is ridiculously over-hyped.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Qui-Gon Jinn vs Ven Zallow

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Interesting that neither of you can offer any sort of justification or proof whereas I have.

Qui-Gon's style is why he was left wide open and stabbed, so it's pretty ironic that you used it as justification as to why he wouldn't be. Especially considering it is the exact same style Zallow uses.
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Face facts. Qui-Gon is just better. He's more refined, more skilled, more adaptable. Zallow's by-the-book approach would allow Qui-Gon to easily anticipate and outmanoeuvre him. That is just common sense.

It's like you've never even seen TPM, let alone read the duel with Maul. Of course struggling with and being killed by Maul is comparable to blitzing several Sith. The only thing he adapted to being is a Force Ghost.

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He just can't accept the fact that Liam Neeson can lose too.

Which is understandable I guess.


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Re: Re: Re: Re: Qui-Gon Jinn vs Ven Zallow

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Anyway, Qui-Gon wins this one. The thing about Zallow is that he was really good at battlefield engagements. In a one-on-one duel he is severely hampered.


Good job restating Jensaarai's faulty logic. Please do provide any level of evidence supporting this.

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His style is textbook Ataru and is basically all speed and offense,


Generally Jedi Guardians of Zallow's day didn't practice Ataru, but go on.

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the better to cut down as many foes as quick as possible. Because of this "attack only" view his defences are lacking.


Still no proof that Zallow practices Ataru, but there is proof that Qui-Gon Jinn does. Thanks for fighting my battle for me.

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which results in him getting stabbed. Qui-Gon doesn't make these kind of mistakes due to his more refined and less flashy style.


Except that one time when he made a mistake and got stabbed and died

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Quite simply, Qui-Gon is the winner.


Quite the argument you made, there.

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Except that one time when he made a mistake and got stabbed and died


Do you mean after carrying the entire battle by himself? Or after fighting through droids prior to getting to the Theed hangar? Or could you possibly mean after he had Maul on the defensive?


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