Thor stopped him killing the pilot? Stopped him killing officers in the helicarrier after he was punched across the ship? Forced him to land in an abandoned building? No that was Hulk or should I say Banners doing.
From the beginning Banner was trying to fight Lokis influence, you saw that in the transformation when he was trying to resist it. At first he went after Widow but when he caught up to her he didn't attack her straight away, there seemed to be some hesitation on his part. IMO it was left open ended what would've happened, I think Banner was fighting it but I can see why you think that.
He certainly wasn't as angry/berserk as the Hulkbuster fight that much we do know.
The only reason that the Black Widow is still alive is because Thor stopped him.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Thor was struggling to stand? I don't recall any seen where Thor struggled to stand excpet when he was sucker punched by Hulk. No one is contesting that Hulk is stronger than Thor in fisticuffs or in a wrestling match.
But you have to consider that Thor took the best Hulk could dish out and pretty much left the fight unscathed (ok, well maybe a bloody nose). On the other hand, Thor only used a portion of his power on Hulk. He hit Hulk ONCE with mjolnir and Hulk struggled to get back up after that. And that wasn't even a charged strike. Thor didn't fly, didn't use lightning, didn't use charged hammer strikes, didn't use tornadoes... he matched Hulk at Hulk's strongest game and still made it competitive.
So are you saying Hulk had no intention of harming Black Widow when he was chasing her through the Hellicarrier?
As for Bana Hulk and MCU Hulk: Bana Hulk was able to catch a missile and was running fast enough to keep up with a chopper IIRC. He was also clearly shown to get stronger the madder he gets. SOmething that MCU hulk hasn't been shown to do.
Yes, when Hulk was slamming Thor around he was picking him up off the floor, he couldn't recover quick enough to defend himself.
Best Hulk can dish out are you kidding? He punched Thor once. Hulk took Thor's Mjolnir strike better than Thor handled his punch. Hulk was knocked on his ass and had his cage rattled but he recovered almost straight away and wasn't bloodied either. Agree with you that Thor was restricted with Mjolnir I don't think anyone would deny that, but for what it was, might vs might with no exotic powers, Hulk showed he is > Thor.
I'm saying Banner was trying to resist the Loki influence (he was this was shown) and that it was left ambiguous as to what would've happened next. IIRC I saw an interview with JW and he rebuts the notion that Hulk was definitely going to kill Natasha but I'd have to find it.
He did have opportunities to kill Widow though and didn't. Even when he approached her, he had an open palm as if he was threatening to pimp slap her. If he really was the berserk, murderous Hulk you say he was, then why did he hesitate? Or why didn't he just punch her into paste instead of slapping her around?
Bana Hulk had better speed feats yes that's true, but that is it. MCU Hulk surpasses him pretty much in every other area. Hulk was amping when he saw Betty in danger, when he overpowered Abomination and we saw him depowering when he calmed down in AOU. Facts.
The movie itself presented the scene as Thor saving Black Widow.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
If what you say is true and that Thor was completely helpless when Hulk was throwing him around, then Hulk was free to give Thor his best shots and yet Thor walked away without any injury. So for your statement to be true, that Hulk was completely dominating Thor at the end of that fight, you'd have to assume that Hulk was hitting Thor with everything he's got.
So which will it be? Was he dominating Thor or not?
Hulk slammed Thor twice. TWICE. It's very presumptous of you to think that Thor was unable to retaliate after only getting slammed twice. Are you telling me that any fighter who gets hit twice is automatically assumed that he can't defend himself?
In any case, no one is saying Thor can beat Hulk in pure h2h. What we're debating here is that Thor will beat Hulk in an all out fight.
Banner was trying to resist Loki's influence, but there was nothing in the movie to show Hulk was resisting Loki's influence.
Hulk chasing Black Widow is an enraged Hulk who was lashing out at anyone in his way. He wasn't a cold blooded murderer who was clinically assessing what best move to do to instantaneously kill his prey. He was pissed off and he lashed out with the first attack he had, which was a backhand against Romanov. That proves that he was out of control.
We don't need to assume as we saw Hulk throwing Thor around so they explicitly weren't his best shots. From the way the scene was portrayed, it looked as though Thor was about to receive a worse beating than the few slams Hulk gave him but the fighter plane intervened so we're left to speculate. Hulk was beginning to dominate though that is indisputable. Would Thor have recovered and began to mount an offence again? Maybe, but that doesn't contradict what I said, and it would more than likely still have been a losing battle on Thors part.
I have no issue with anyone thinking Thor wins an all out fight, that was never the point of contention for me. As others have pointed out, Nibedicus broke down the fight pretty nicely without the added fanboy bs and I can see why some people think Thor wins an all out fight.
Come on dude you're being obtuse, we all know Banner mentality and behaviour directly influences his Hulk form.
Meh, I think we mostly agree on this point. Hulk did lash out on Widow but he only lashed out on her, everyone else was in retaliation to being attacked. I only disagree that A) this was Hulk at his angriest -- it clearly wasn't. His forced transformation meant Banner had less control than normal but he (Hulk) clearly had some morality still within him unlike AOU rampage. B) That Hulk would've killed BW, I don't think him raising his hand meant he would've killed her but I get that the scene was portrayed to look like she was in danger.
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__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
What other instances? Black Widow was the only other human Hulk chased after before he got sidelined by Thor. After that, Hulk focused on the biggest threat that hurt him (Thor) and neglected the others.
As for the pilot, Hulk threw him away. That action would have caused the pilot's death. That was as good as a death throw. Except for the fact that he had a parachute. But I doubt Hulk knew that he had a parachute. For all intents and purposes, Hulk did try to kill that parachute.
As for Hulk landing in a barn, he didn't control his fall. Only good luck (and plot) allowed him to land in that barn.
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