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Meetra Surik vs. ROTJ Luke Skywalker (lightsabers only)
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Beniboybling
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I think its only sensible to suggest this would be a close duel, considering the Exile took on and defeated an entire academy of Sith and then defeated Darth Traya on possibly the strongest dark side nexus in galactic history...

Credit where credit is due.


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Except she's nowhere near that powerful anymore, none of that was sabers only, and her wound is definitely healed by the time of the novel.

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I think its only sensible to suggest this would be a close duel, considering the Exile took on and defeated an entire academy of Sith and then defeated Darth Traya on possibly the strongest dark side nexus in galactic history...

Credit where credit is due.


But how do we know that she killed them by virtue of skill alone? How many of them did she beat together?

Also, I don't recall any official information about what she did in the Trayus Academy, and if we go by gameplay, it is possible to avoid most of those encounters via stealth. If I'm wrong, please post some quotes.


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Except she's nowhere near that powerful anymore, none of that was sabers only, and her wound is definitely healed by the time of the novel.
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This is KOTOR 2 version.
Not that I agree with the idea that the Exile's powers all came from her wound.


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But how do we know that she killed them by virtue of skill alone? How many of them did she beat together?

Also, I don't recall any official information about what she did in the Trayus Academy, and if we go by gameplay, it is possible to avoid most of those encounters via stealth. If I'm wrong, please post some quotes.


It's stated that she killed a Legion of elite assassins... So.....

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Should that be a surprise? Her wound allows her to feed on both the presence of those around her, and by all those she kills. Mega-amp is mega-amp.


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Not that I agree with the idea that the Exile's powers all came from her wound.

She was also drawing off a bond she had with her companions, all of which were Force Sensitive, and Kreia.

As to the rest, that was said in game, so it really doesn't matter what your opinion is.

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She was also drawing off a bond she had with her companions, all of which were Force Sensitive, and Kreia.

As to the rest, that was said in game, so it really doesn't matter what your opinion is.


The bonds were two way though.

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I really don't see how that matters. Kreia isn't getting an amp from the Exile.

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I really don't see how that matters. Kreia isn't getting an amp from the Exile.


All of her party members were, they were in the Trayus academy being tortured and shit. Seeing as no other force user has ever resisted Malachor, and they're inferior to Surik, It's logical to assume what got them through it was her bond. Not to mention she weakened herself by going out of her way to save them.

Oh and Ant, seeing as they couldn't feed off Surik, and they were supposedly lesser versions of Surik, I don't see why she could feed off them.

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Quote they couldn't feed on her? And them and Surik weren't the same.


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Not sure why this bond thing is being brought up considering none of Suirk's companions are around here and she doesn't have a bond with Luke.

Let's just look at the actual stuff here please?

Also the term Legion can be vague, so while Suirk may have defeated an entire Legion of Sith Assassins...what is exactly that number? Take note that this is the remains of a leftover Empire and the Sith Trimuvirate was small as it is.

So let's look at things that can actually be noted, such as speed, strength, skill and so on.


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Quote they couldn't feed on her? And them and Surik weren't the same.


That's your opinion, one that literally everyone in the game disagrees on, since they all say the Assassins learned their technique from Surik and malachor developed them in the same way.

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She was also drawing off a bond she had with her companions, all of which were Force Sensitive, and Kreia.

As to the rest, that was said in game, so it really doesn't matter what your opinion is.
I don't remember it being said in the game that the Exile was dependent on her bonds for power, or that once her wound closed, she would lose her power. And her Force bonds would likely have been nullified on Malachor, it also seems very unlikely that Kreia's bond with the Exile still existed post-betrayal.


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I don't remember it being said in the game that the Exile was dependent on her bonds for power, or that once her wound closed, she would lose her power.


Well it was, but the game also says it was based on proximity.

But of course, any chance to lowball the exile by ignoring quotes is fine.

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Well it was, but the game also says it was based on proximity.

But of course, any chance to lowball the exile by ignoring quotes is fine.
As far as I'm aware its said that she feeds of their strength, but that's different from being dependent on it.

i.e. that without her buddies, the Exile was lawls weak.


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So anyway here....can we actually get into actual feats of speed, strength, skill and so on here? Ya know, stuff that is actually quantifiable? Enough of this bond nonsense.


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Bond nonsense? Such heresies.


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All of her party members were, they were in the Trayus academy being tortured and shit. Seeing as no other force user has ever resisted Malachor, and they're inferior to Surik, It's logical to assume what got them through it was her bond. Not to mention she weakened herself by going out of her way to save them.

Only the Battle of Malachor V was a definite. The reason no one else resisted Malachor was because they were all tortured until they broke. Obviously there wasn't enough time for that.

Kreia was talking about a metaphorical weakness of being a Light Sider, not actually getting weaker.

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they were all tortured until they broke.

False.


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