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Sidious solos. He can take out Dooku and maul easily and the other two can hold vitiate off for like 3-5 seconds which will be how long it takes for Sidious to kil Dooku and maul. Sidious then solos vitiate and with that
I guess Darth Baras is on better than Kenobi and Ventress in spite of fighting no one but Satele Shan
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What does you posting a bunch of Force accolades have to do with saber skill? And as much as I love accolades, I don't particularly like to deal with them without feats to match. And considering the Wrath has saber-wankage all over TOR from the offset, I don't particularly see the relevance of accolades either.
This is a factually true statement that I can't disagree with.
He beat someone on the Dark Council. Which I guess for you means above Dooku level.
Perhaps I should specify.
"The blinding scarlet blur of Dooku's lightsaber split the air, slashing a burning line along Yoda's side before chopping his desk in half."- Dooku landing a hit on Yoda
"Before their pieces could even hit the floor Dooku was in motion, landing a spinning side-stamp that folded Skywalker in half."
Dooku kicks Skywalker before pieces of battledroids can even hit the ground.
"Then their blades clashed together in a lace of fire, green and red: but the green burned hotter. Slowly, slowly, Dooku gave way: and in the dark, drunken Vjun air, Yoda was terrible to behold."
Tyranus on a nexus is able to hold back Yoda's 'terrible' offensive.
"He had toed the Jedi line; become the Temple's most agile swordmaster and instructor."
Stated to be the most agile swordmaster and instructor.
"Dooku was said to be one of the Order's finest lightsaber masters, and he had earned a reputation as a skilled diplomat, as well."
"His slightly curved lightsaber hilt, too, might have been a prop, though he was known to be one of the Order's most skilled duelists."
Tyranus is considered to be an equal/ superior to Yoda and Mace Windu.
"The Count's blade was quick as a viper striking. Among the other Jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground: but here on Vjun, steeped in the dark side, his bladework was malice made visible—wickedness cut in red light."
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"Master Windu himself remained perfectly balanced and centered. In the history of the Jedi Order, only two opponents ever overcame him in battle. One was Master Yoda, who some said was the Order's true master of lightsaber combat. The other was former Master Dooku, whose own fighting style was archaic, yet stunningly effective."
Dooku's doppleganger defeats TCWs Kenobi.
"Where is Master Kenobi?"
"Wounded in the fight against Dooku. The Force will mend his wounds in time."
Source: The New Droid Army
Tyranus also defeats Ventress as well as two of the most skilled nightsisters while blinded and drugged. He defeats Skywalker time and time again in spite of him being the finest Djem So master he's scene as well as arguably being the most powerful Jedi in history at the time (Source: ROTS novel).
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This is a factually true statement that I can't disagree with.
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Last edited by Lord Stark on May 19th, 2015 at 08:20 PM
I said he's on Dooku's level, not above it. I didn't say he'd beat him. You can be comparable without needing to be superior.
Furthermore, Ekkage and Baras weren't ordinary DC members and Sel-Makor!Voice isn't a standard Council member either. So I think you're assuming some things about me which simply aren't true.
While this is true, I don't think Baras is more powerful than two of these individuals at once. Dooku casually knocks out Bulq even though he's "one of the greatest lightsaber instructors the Order has ever known". Baras has never done something like this.
Most people agree that a serious Yoda (as he was against Sidious) would defeat Dooku soundly. No one thinks they are equals. But his performance against Yoda is still admirable when you consider quotes like this.
"And he had given a demonstration. Three members of the council—Plo Koon, Saesee Tiin, and Depa Billaba, excellent fighters all—had come forward and attacked him. Master Yoda had not been armed, and had not seemed to move more than a meter or so, his tread slow and measured. Nevertheless, none of the three had been able to lay a finger on him."
He is not Baras would be cut down in 15-20 seconds by Yoda.
Legends Depa who can match Mace Windu's speed and land blows on him was unable to lay a finger on unarmed Yoda with Plo Koon AND Saesee Tiin backing her up and also attacking.
What does Baras have that suggests he's faster than Depa, let alone Depa, Tiin, and Koon combined? Throw in Yoda's vastly superior TK and...yeah Yoda wrecks Baras with the ease that Dooku wrecked Ventress.
You seem a little emotional. But I have to insist that I'm telling the truth, Baras definitely is not a standard Dark Council member. He was considered almost invincible and none on the council dared oppose him directly. A standard Dark Council member is clearly beneath him.
Hey Ant, I notice that you could stand to mention Sel-Makor's claim of giving power to Baras in your Respect thread. I think it's an important aspect of the Wraths victory. Of course, if you're worried its unsubstantiated you could do some digging for proof that I've been too lazy to do myself. I am pretty sure no other Sith visited Voss decades before the game though.
Naturally, Yoda would need far longer for full powered Baras, he was likely the most powerful member of the Dark Council. I was talking about the Baras the Wrath fought mind you.
May 19th, 2015 07:29 PM
