A little background:
Was in a thread a few weeks back (not here), where a poster was claiming Cap had "travelled the world" training with "the best". Has trained with gods and aliens, etc.
Despite that not being an established part of his back story.
To my knowledge, Cap went through an intense "boot camp" after the SSS, then fought for 3-4 years, was frozen, and depending on where Marvel's sliding timeline's at, has been fighting with/leading the Avengers and having solo adventures for roughly what, 10-12 years? A little longer?
I know HE's trained people on the Avengers, though.
My question isnt if Cap can beat NW, though thats up to you to decide. I'm asking who's actually had the most/better training, given both characters' histories/timelines.
Use pre 52 NW, please, so as to better compare with Cap.
The SSS does alot for Cap imo. There is no way in that short of an amount of time that Cap has trained in every martial art form on the planet. It's a little hard to believe that Batman has as well, but ya know, comics, and that's his thing. I think a fight between PreNu52 Nightwing and Cap would be alot better than people would give credit to Grayson for.
Preboot Grayson carried dozens of mini grenades, sonics, flashbangs, adhesives, an electric charge in his suit and a laser, off the top of my head. with his skill, he'd definitely make Steve work for it.
As for the topic at hand, I'd say that while Dick had better training in the beginning, they are both veterans of countless martial arts and super powered battles against and alongside anyone with any game in their universes. At this point, I'd say its pretty even.
Grayson himself has had his history subjected to a crunched timeline. I recall posters going over this a year into the New 52. It turned out that Grayson, Todd and Drake were Robins for ludicrously short periods of time.
Nightwing trounces Cap in h2h skill, cap will probably win a fight due to enhanced stats due to the serum but this is a kid who was trained by Batman since his pre teen years, Batman > Nightwing > Cap in skills
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Simply "training with" someone great doesn't necessarily mean you end up better trained. Is Tim Drake better trained because he studied under Lady Shiva AND Bruce?
If you're going to insist on sticing tothat logic, let me remind you that Cap trains with Shang Chi.
Remember i'm just asking who's better trained.
The guy who's back story is being taken in and taught by Batman for over a decade while engaging grown criminals and super villains, or the guy who received 2-4 months training in WWII, had OJT for 3-4 years and has spent most of the modern era on a team.
That is an answer to the question, "whose origin story had better opportunities for good training?" But that isn't the question you asked in this thread. You asked who IS better trained.
Does Steve, a grown super soldier with an enhanced brain as well as body, need to train as long as a child to wind up as well-trained in the end? Peobably not.
Did either Steve or Dick stop training with new and exotic masters once they started their solo careers? Not at all, they both train with the best all the time.
So just pointing to their origins doesn't really prove anything anymore.
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