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Originally posted by Surtur
So I have to say now I kind of somewhat support Trumps stance on illegal immigration. Not the whole "they are all rapists and murderers" but we definitely need some major changes to happen, look at this disgusting story:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-border-n386646

Here is the most important/messed up part:

"Sanchez is an undocumented immigrant who has been deported from the U.S. five times. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said Sanchez was turned over to San Francisco authorities in San Francisco on March and that the agency had asked for him to remain in custody until immigration authorities could pick him up. That request was not honored,"

Been deported several times, was requested to remain in custody until they could deport him again, but SF said nope because they are a "sanctuary city" and now an innocent person is dead. I'd honestly be looking into suing the city or whoever I could over this if I was related to the person killed.

I honestly hope maybe the article got some details wrong or something, because I can't wrap my head around the fact this guy had already been deported several times and yet they refused to hold him in custody.


Trump belittles what is the largest minority group in the US just because he wants to pander to people who are afraid of paying for immigrants, despite all being descendants of immigrants themselves. Oh, and Mexico being a shithole people should rightly want to leave. Taking an exceptional example to make a sweeping judgment is always a fallacy, in any case.

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If we play the blame game, we can find a shitstorm from either party running the country, which makes this an exercise in futility.


People really need to stop using unemployment charts because the number of people who are no longer part of the employment numbers (they gave up) is increasing dramatically. But this entire thread is about each side posting favorable statistics to his side.


Really, you can find charts and stats to favor either side. Considering the corruption in the government agencies anyways, self-reporting is a crapshoot.

However, I can tell you from personal experience that job hunting is much easier now than five years ago.


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However, I can tell you from personal experience that job hunting is much easier now than five years ago.

You must not be talking about white collar jobs that you need graduate degrees for.


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LOL. Being "illegal immigrants" is not the same as being descendants of those who settled this country and fought for/won it's independence. Major fail, dude.

If immigrants want to live here so phucking bad then they should go thru the proper procedures of becoming naturalized citizens. If they're not willing to do that then their asses have no goddamn right to be here. PERIOD. END OF STORY. Quit making lame ass excuses for them being here illegally. If you don't mind millions of illegal aliens being in this country then why don't you let them come live with you? You can take care of all of them instead of expecting true red-blooded Americans to pay for taking care of them.


I have no problem with immigrants being here as long as they do it legally.


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LOL "Settled" aka mass genocide/forced relocation/slavery

Mexicans have more relation to America's original inhabitants than we do.


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LOL "Settled" aka mass genocide/forced relocation/slavery

Mexicans have more relation to America's original inhabitants than we do.


There wasn't mass genocide. 96% of the Indian population died of plague before the Puritans arrived.


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There wasn't mass genocide. 96% of the Indian population died of plague before the Puritans arrived.


Those particular numbers sound suspect. Regardless, having been the direct cause of such a mass wipe out and then (as opposed to helping the natives rebuild and repopulate, as they would have done) choosing to to wipe out the weakened remnants of their civilization, utterly destroy their culture and take all of their land away from them for all time...

... doesn't actually go n the 'morally ok' book, so your comment that it wasn't a genocide is rather disingenuous. American settlers stole native land on top of the natives' dead bodies, and added to the dead body heap if they tried to resist. There's no way out of it.

Of course, by now it's just one of those facts of history- plenty of crappy things done in history- but Lestov's original statement does have a point that you cannot dismiss by saying 'disease weakened them first'.


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My question is what are we determining the kill count to be before we start using "mass genocide"?


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Apologist are funny


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Apologist are funny


You mean apologists? Lol.

Also who is being an apologist? I'm simply correcting the guy above me in terms of history. Good try thumb up


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Didn't millions of natives die when settlers deliberately gave them blankets coated with smallpox?


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You mean apologists? Lol.

Also who is being an apologist? I'm simply correcting the guy above me in terms of history. Good try thumb up


Yeah, that's what I said.

You seem mighty defensive.


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Didn't millions of natives die when settlers deliberately gave them blankets coated with smallpox?


This guy tells it like it is:

"I'm the first to admit we took this country from the indians but what were they doing with it anyway; shooting off bows and arrows and using seashells for money." - N. Arbuthnot


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Yeah, that's what I said.

You seem mighty defensive.


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So you're still losing it over the omission of a single letter/typo. You must really be butthurt; just how deep did I get in your head last time.


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So you're still losing it over the omission of a single letter/typo. You must really be butthurt; just how deep did I get in your head last time.


Poor rob. That's twice you've made yourself look like a fool. I admire your desperate attempts at a rationalization laughing out loud


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Deep, very deep, apparently.

But maybe you could tell us more stories of how the Native Americans just died of natural causes.


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Didn't millions of natives die when settlers deliberately gave them blankets coated with smallpox?


No. That was a single situation/event. But millions did die from the germs the Europeans brought over. Captain Simeon Ecuyer is the gent you are thinking of (he's the dude that sent out the blankets and handkerchiefs). But, by that time, millions had likely perished already from the diseases.


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There wasn't mass genocide. 96% of the Indian population died of plague before the Puritans arrived.


It was a genocide alright. Talking about victims of sickness to deflect the attention from methodical extermination isn't erasing the murders.


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It was a genocide alright. Talking about victims of sickness to deflect the attention from methodical extermination isn't erasing the murders.
I wasn't trying to I was correcting your historical inaccuracy.


Rob, please stop crying, it's embarrassing.


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Says the guy flipping out over an obvious typo as a means to deflect from his foul-ups. BTW, learn the difference between "there" and "their". YW, smithy.


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