Goku stated that base Rilldo was "even more powerful than Majin Buu." So it's possible that Meta-Rilldo(who was upwards of 50x> base Rilldo) could be above Whis.
...Oozaru Baby is definitely > Whis, though. Imo.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Jun 19th, 2015 at 02:51 PM
Rildo was much stronger than Buu. In fact, he even transformed and Goku had to go SSJ which was calculated at 100x his base form. So Goku at base was Buu level and he had to go SSJ which was a boost double what it was in DBZ. Rildo is likely too much for Whis but if Whis can somehow squeek by, Baby drills him in the anus
Dub-error. The canon Jap release has Rilldo state that Goku hadn't even been using a fraction of his power before he went SSJ, or somesuch. It doesn't give any definitive numerical quantification... Not that it changes things a whole lot--Meta-Rilldo was still more than 50x> Majin Buu, based on his fight with SSJ Goku. That's f*cking insane.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Jun 19th, 2015 at 03:07 PM
This is Metal Dildo? Whis just destroys the planet then.
Also SSG in contrast was a much higher powerup from SS3 than SS4 was in GT.
Not that that would make them SS4 levels in Z but it allows some ability to power scale the two. And SS3 Goku was or should be a ways above any Buu he fought that could have fit "Majin Buu" at the time of BoG (seems he might have been talking about Fat Buu considering the name and him still being around). Then he gets more powerful and him and Vegeta get made to look like kids against Whis who's not trying at all.
I can't see Rildo approaching that level. Especially with how little happened power wise between him and Goku and Goku was still playing around against Metal Rildo.
Baby should be a good challenge though. Super 17 might be useless though considering the ki thing.
Dunno which version of Rilldo this is. Just commenting that even in his base form, Rilldo>Majin Buu.
Tbh, I'd guess Goku was referring to Pure/Kid Buu when he made that comparison. "Majin"=evil/demonic. While Fat Buu was still around in GT, he was a good guy. The Majin title would no longer fit... I also don't remember them ever referring to Fat Buu as "Majin Buu" in GT either--they just called him "Buu", iirc. /shrug
Given the power-scaling in GT, Oozaru Baby should stomp Whis, tbh.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Jun 20th, 2015 at 11:10 PM
Kid Buu was only called Majin Buu once by Hercule though. The only one who was really called Majin Buu was fat Buu.
I'd look at GT but I don't want to.
Maybe. But we haven't even seen Whis try either. Guy slapped out the most powerful guy by far in DBZ history. Goku was the only guy Baby fought conceivably on that level.
Plus in GT power scaling, Majuub was strongly implied to either just be Kid Buu level or Kid Buu plus Fat Buu level and he did decent against Super Baby Vegeta. The power scaling in GT was something else. Plus the whole two Android 17s thing...
You could be right. That is just my opinion, is all... But it doesn't matter either way, tbh.
Toriyama stated that SSJG Goku=6, Beerus=10, and Whis=15.
This means Beerus has 67% the power of Whis. And since SSJG Goku~70% Beerus, this essentially means that Beerus is to Whis, what SSJG Goku is to Beerus. So while Whis is definitely uber-strong, he is still less than twice as strong as Beerus--yet he can casually one-shot him. That right there is pretty infallible proof that the Z fighters don't need to be several orders of magnitude beyond their opponents to defeat them effortlessly. <2x is more than enough(even for Gods.)
Anyway, base GT Goku~base Rilldo>Majin Buu.
So if we then apply the canon multipliers:
SSJ1 GT Goku 50x> Majin Buu.
SSJ2 GT Goku 100x> Majin Buu.
SSJ3 GT Goku 400x> Majin Buu.
Next comes SSJ4. We know it had to have been at least 10x> SSJ3, because SSJ3 Goku got wtfstomped by Super Baby Vegeta 2, yet n00b SSJ4 Goku was laughably beyond SBV2, and around the level of Golden Oozaru Baby(who was 10x> SBV2.)
This makes n00b SSJ4 Goku upwards of 4,000x> Majin Buu.
In an era where 2-4x differences in power were considered gargantuan, I'm very hard-pressed to agree that Whis was on par with SSJ4 Goku, and/or thousands of times more powerful than Majin Buu. /shrug
Base Goku was already Pure Buu-level, and Uub stalemated him in the first episode of GT(IOW, Uub realized his potential.) And after merging with Fat Buu, Uub became powerful enough to give SBV2 a decent fight... Which is quite something given that SBV2>>>>SBV1>>>ALL before him(per Goku.) Though I suppose that makes sense in accordance with GT fusion-scaling, as they were always retardedly haxx(Super 17 is another prime example.)
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Last edited by Galan007 on Jun 21st, 2015 at 02:58 AM
See that's the thing with Uub is that he was apparently over 400 times weaker than Baby yet he was able to give him a decent fight to a degree before Buu. Yet you speak of an era where 2 times power levels are big and during that time Buu level and above opponents were casually one shotted. SSG Vegeta, Beerus, Mystic Gohan, SS3 Goku.
By all means if the 2 times is huge back then for similar power levels, then over 400 times should be bigger for the same level. Basically Whis/Beerus had an easier time with more powerful opponents than Baby did when multipliers should make it questionable.
Because GT is inconsistent as hell. Same goes with Majuub. He was only ever stated to have Mr Buu's power added to his. It wasn't a fusion, it was just Mr Buu's power. Besides the Dildo scene and the 10times attacks I'm pretty sure GT completely dropped the canon multipliers because the deeper you go into it, the less it makes sense.
And I'm not saying Whis is SS4 level, I'm just saying he would be far and away more powerful than anyone else Baby fought beside Goku.
By all means Baby should easily win, but based on what he actually did in comparison it makes it an issue. His battles don't match his math skills.
Also not sure Toriyama throwing out random numbers is static proof. Especially since that should make the SSSSG be able to wipe the floor with Beerus and Whis but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Basically everything goes wild and doesn't seem to follow a formula.
Uub's base power was enough to spar evenly with adult-start-of-GT-Goku. So while Buu's addition helped (and I do tend to assume it's more than a linear addition, because that's how it *always* works, whether namekian fusion or dance), Uub's own strength starts rather high.
Right. Also, everyone remembers when Tien was able to hold off semi-Perfect Cell, right, even though Tien was much less than a supersaiyan and Cell was smacking around androids and fused namekians notably stronger than a SSJ?
Case in point: SBV2 proceeding to wtfstomp SSJ3 Goku--who, even during Z, was vastly more powerful than Pure and Fat Buu when powered up.
ie. SBV2>>>SSJ3 GT Goku 400x> base GT Goku~base Rilldo~SSJ3 Z Goku>Buu.
Kind of like when Piccolo [re]combined with Kami(PL=220), and skyrocketed from sub-Freeza-level, to Android #17-level?
Tbh, I can't think of a single instance in DB where two characters have merged, and not become vastly more powerful than the individual sum of their parts...
Everything about Z is still canon to GT, though. That said, there is no reason to assume the canon Z multipliers were thrown out.
We shouldn't add to the inconsistency by throwing out the consistency we do have.
Well yeah. Baby didn't really fight anyone else of note.
I disagree. SBV2 demonstrated the fact that he was hundreds of times more powerful than Buu, when he beat the bejesus out of SSJ3 GT Goku.
What the creator of the series states in official interviews is canon until proven otherwise.
Except that's not true. While Whis notes that SSJGSS Goku became stronger than 70% Beerus, he also notes that if Goku and Vegeta BOTH challenge Beerus in this form, they *might* be able to defeat him... Which implies that Goku on his own would still get stomped.
ie. Beerus(100%)>SSJGSS Goku>Beerus(70%)>SSJG Goku. IOW, the SSJGSS multiplier must not be too incredibly vast.
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Honestly, even Baby Vegeta's base form is likely superior to SSJ3 Baby Saga Goku, considering Baby just smiles off SSJ3 Goku's punch and fends off his attacks without any noticeable strain
This also means that SSJ4 gives a ridiculous boost since it pushed Goku beyond Baby's first three forms (I'm including Baby's base form here) and beat the fourth after a decently long fight
Yea I was thinking about this the other day too. They need to clarify and stick to there multipliers. The numbers being thrown around do make any sense at all.
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