Interesting Point tbh. Now Master Roshis PL would be around 180 when he destroyed the Moon. The Farmer, a normal human being, was stated to have a Power level of 5. So to destroy a Moon in the DB Universe, a being has to be as powerful as 36 Humans. Frieza had a PL of 530000, so in order to destroy a Planet in the DB universe one has to be as Powerful as 106000 Humans.
Maybe the Moons and Planets in the DB have different physical attributes.
Anyway, this opens a new perspective. How to judge the DB tiers better in a Comic world, which is less toonish. Since in Comics the most common way to gauge the power of heroes is physical strength we can use this to judge what PL Superhumans would have in the DB-Verse. Spiderman can lift 10 Tons IIRC, let's assume that the average Human can lift about 50 kg, that would mean that Spiderman is as powerful as 200 humans. Since Humans have a PL of 5 it would mean that Spiderman has a PL of 1000. Hulk lifted 150,000,000,000 Tons, that means he is as powerful as 3,000,000,000,000 Humans and has a PL of 15,000,000,000,000.
Food for thought.
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Roshi destroyed the moon with a ki blast, though. Your average human, with a PL of 5, cannot generate ki blasts(which compound/increase a being's baseline power level several times over, btw.) So this entire line of shitty rationale is utterly moot.
If all you do is lowball DBZ characters, why'd you even make this thread, lol?
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The line of thinking makes sense, if you like it or not. I do not lowball them as you can see in my examples, i just try to find a reasonable way to place the chars in the right tiers. A conversion of some comic heroes into PL seems a good way imo.
So what powerlevel did roshis Kamehameha had, what do you think?
One more thing. Goku lifted 40 Tons when he was training, after that training he had a base PL of 9000 IIRC, so during the training when he lifted 40 Tons he was at an estimated PL of 4000, which would make sense, as this wasn't his max. So this system could work both ways.
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Your 'logic' was flawed from the get-go. It relies on the fact that Roshi had a PL of 180 when he destroyed the moon, and an average human has a PL of 5. That's how you came up with your ridiculous "To destroy a Moon in the DB Universe, a being has to be as powerful as 36 Humans" theory.
However, random humans cannot control their ki at all--let alone generate high-end ki blasts... And Roshi busted the moon with a ki blast. Aside from that, because they are extremely concentrated singular points of energy, ki blasts are actually amplified WAY beyond their user's base power level. Example: Piccolo's base PL=408 against Raditz, yet his PL after charging the SBC=1,330. There are many other examples of an energy attack being FAR more powerful than the character firing it(Vegeta's "Final Flash" vs. Perfect Cell is another), but hopefully you get the picture.
Anywho, please don't try to defend/justify your previous argument. It just makes you look desperate and uninformed.
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Yes, you are right, Power Levels and Scaling might be a dumb way to argue but it's the most common way among the fans and better than collateral damage. So, whatwould you suggest to place them in the right tier?
And yes Superboy Prime is above them.
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Since when has Ki/strength/power/energy not been the same thing?
Ki powers the body, and digging deeper into the body's inner energy allows you to amp your body in every conceivable way, including mentally; as fighters in Dragon Ball become more receptive and keen as their power builds. Master Roshi explains in chapter 14 of Dragon Ball that one must tap into their ki to transcend their 'physical limits' and become more powerful. There is a reason why master Roshi gets bigger when he summons his ki. This is why all the fighters become more muscular when summoning ki.
I don't see why if Goku has the energy to destroy a mountain with a ki blast, he wouldn't be able to accomplish it with a well focused punch. The blast is just more convenient because you can unleash 'force' with physical properties, at a distance.
A ki blast is essentialy might from a distane, hence when characters are killed with ki blasts, they are annihilated and not incinerated, ki blasts aren't magical lasers. This fact should also be evident when characters drain their chi and are left weak and helpless. When their ki is drained, they lose their strength.
Now the God Ki is something else entirely. That is more than just the energy that gives life to the body, as it seems to give its weilders extra abilities. Bills for instance uses the power to destroy and disolve things effortlessly, almost like a Grim Reaper.The kais on the other hand use their ki to create a whole host of things, like clothes out of thin air.
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