So, would that mean who's had the most/highest trans showings? First impressions...
Superman, I think, has the highest outlier feats, whereas Thor beats him on average. Surfer has some intense stuff too, of course, but (afaik) he has never done well against Thanos, Galactus (not as well as Thor), nor has he ever beaten Thor solidly (stalemated, yes, but not outright, on his own power, defeat). Again, this is a general impression (not an expert, am I).
I believe someone once posted that, because DC doesn't have as well developed a cosmic hierarchy as Marvel, that sometimes DC's 'A' listers have to rise to that occasion. Also, the essence of the Superman character is to always "save the day" (even when other DC superheroes fail). Surfer, otoh, is more of a philosophical platform, often tragic (it's why Stan Lee loved him), where his power is not the point.
Generally though, I consider these top 3 more/less equals, and that victory in any fight between them would be circumstance determined.
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Good match Carver. These are the top three heralds in my oppinion. All of them have hurt universal and in Thor and Supermans case hurt multiversal beings. In answer to your actual question, I must give my nods to the original superhero.
Superman
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In who I believe to be thenover all most powerfull due to powersets
By surprising him and not giving him time to use his magic. He admitted that if Mephisto gets time he is toast. Not under his own power. Overloaded him when we don't know his capabilities to store energy as he was already full as per his admission. Not only Abom was weakened after he nearly killed hulk by banner but surfer put him to sleep. And weakened Abom is no Herald. Even Namor has pushed his shit in. Skaar was using oldpower to destroy the planet not actually amping his strength. And Skaar is no Herald. Did he? Or did he trap him into a black hole? Only genuine win. Holy shit, so much context is left for this. Straight up?
No, he didn't. He absorbed his power which was taken from him. He has lost twice to his clones, first by skrull surfer and by cosmic Messiah. Haha, what? Did he now? It was a board attack. But it was also in the same time where Namor could ko him.
Suckered him with a board attack and punched him a few times. BRB was not beaten at the end. Burned out Cable. Didn't beat him. Killed his seeker first. And without the seeker, Ravenous would be lucky to be a meta. Legacy? GTFO. Does he?
Gave him no time to cast offensive spells. Doesn't mean Mephisto's personal might was weak, given that he was in his own realm. Mephisto himself said he's never felt such raw power, and out of desperation was forced to attack Shalla.
He used his energy manipulation and surfed the cosmic crunch. If Superman was in that situation fighting two Galactus level beings how would he handle it?
Actually Krosakis said the opposite; he said he can handle this much energy and told Surfer he's been doing this since since before Surfer could walk.
Proof when he was ressurrected Abomb was weak? And it was Surfer who was weakened during the fight. He still physically overpowered him before knocking him out with his power cosmic. This was also during the era when Surfer was at a fraction of his power.
You're making stuff up.
Using the Old Power to destroy the planet doesn't automatically stop him from using it to amp himself, the Old Power flows through Skaar's veins and is an artificial Power Cosmic. That's like saying when Surfer blasts, his durability is weakened, which obviously isn't true. And planet busting isn't herald level?
Surfer overpowered him, destroys his swords and blasts him into the black hole. He did this without his Surfer board and after infusing some power into it and giving it to Alicia Masters to get her to safey IIRC.
According to you only Morg and Firelord count. Actually, you don't even count the Morg fight because you claim Morg knocked himself out with his own energy, which is ridiculous and untrue.
Also there's the time he beat Terrax twice.
He knocked Durok unconscious before time dumping him. This was also a depowered Surfer.
You're mixing up your clones. The first clone was created by Frankenstein and equal to him in power. Both were trying to absorb each other's power and the real Surfer won and absorbed the clone's power to the point of disintegrating him. http://imgur.com/a/L6aO0#6 http://imgur.com/a/L6aO0#7
He did. Surfer destroyed his power plant (which dwarfed the planet) before beating him, but Mrrungo still had Hulk and Namor's strength which he absorbed earlier, as well as his own personal might.
BRB was bloody and on his knees and beaten. He was at Surfer's mercy. The only reason he was still conscious was because Surfer stopped to show mercy and talk some sense into him. Surfer himself said BRB couldn't match him.
Cable wasn't burned out during their fight, or else he wouldn't be able to do things like hold up providence, fight Surfer and help reconstruct the damage on the fly.
Ravenous isn't a meta. Meta's don't survive point blank planetary explosions.
Legacy was still a herald level. Not high herald, but still herald level.
A double KO isn't pushing someone's shit in, and like I said, it was during the era when Surfer was depowered to a fraction of his original power.
In the more recent encounter (which I posted) where Surfer isn't depowered, Iron Man and his team couldn't KO Surfer with their combined attack, even after disrupting Surfer's energies.
I care about feats too, I mean that I wish that they stop treating Thor like a punching bag/jobber and start putting him back in or near the trans tier again. I want Thor fighting Thanos, attacking Galactus, uber Doom etc...
A properly written Thor is great, and it's long overdue.
Seriously? So where's Abby's context when he claimed that Surfer couldn't beat Firelord even though the scans show Surfer had him on the ground trying to reason with him when Firelord landed a sucker blast from the ground?? Abby is the last poster on this board to champion context. Of course he's attempting to lowball and does so daily.
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