zopzop
Lord of the Great Abyss
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by abhilegend
The writer forgot about it most likely.
It doesn't makes it an alternate reality.
Post the scan where it says so.
The writer forgot a key plot point?
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Jul 22nd, 2015 05:10 PM
abhilegend
Prince of All Saiyans
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by zopzop
The writer forgot a key plot point?
Yes.
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Jul 22nd, 2015 05:18 PM
DarkSaint85
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by zopzop
The writer forgot a key plot point?
Sometimes, they forget that Superman is meant to win in every fight, and is the bestest ever.
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Jul 22nd, 2015 05:47 PM
Mr Master
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Gender: Male Location: somewhere within time & space
quote: (post ) Originally posted by abhilegend
That's comment. The site manager even says so just after the comment.
Its a comment from someone.
A "comment?" .. more like "excellent points" from one of Marvunapp's own roster.
Donald Campbell is one of the 'Masters of Obscure' over at Marvunapp: (bio writers)
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/appmasts.htm
In fact, Jeff Christiansen (site Author/Owner)
even noted, for monthS Donald's been "supplementing & correcting errors in profiles,"
and evidently he writes, and helps write huge Marvel bio-profiles like the one below:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/russelljackww.htm
* You must've thought Marvunapp picked those "excellent points" out of a hat. ... but nah.
Next time research thoroughly before pointing fingers of fallacy at others.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by abhilegend
And just because moon wasn't destroyed, it was a different reality?
Possibly, as the on panel evidence can be interpreted this way and as noted by a bio Writer over at Marvunapp.
Or it was a mistake on Gruenwald's part. Which again, can mean Gruenwald also forgot about the LT's barrier.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by abhilegend
In What If 43 which happened after Quasar 30.
What If #43 has absolutely nothing to do with Quasar, in any way, shape or form.
What If #43 is a direct tie in/link follow up to What If #32, and nothing else.
What If #43 published February 1984 ... Quasar #30 published January 1992.
Again, if Gruenwald tried to jam his story into the original plot,
then he forgot about the LT's barrier, just like he definitely forgot about the Moon.
Or .. it was a different alternate reality. There's really no other explanations here.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by abhilegend
And Quasar jumped before Korvac died.
Publishing date doesn't matters. Chronology does.
Even "chronologically" speaking it would make no sense.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by abhilegend
This isn't even worth my efforts at this point.
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Jul 22nd, 2015 08:23 PM
AsbestosFlaygon
The Original One
Gender: Unspecified Location: Hall of Origin
GEB can only be defeated by The Presence himself. Technically speaking, you could say he wasn't even defeated. He's more like the dark, evil version of The Presence.
LT was killed by a few Beyonders.
This is clearly a mismatch of epic proportion. Or maybe this is a bait thread, hmmm..
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Jul 22nd, 2015 10:00 PM
zopzop
Lord of the Great Abyss
Gender: Unspecified Location: Dreamlands
quote: (post ) Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
GEB can only be defeated by The Presence himself. Technically speaking, you could say he wasn't even defeated. He's more like the dark, evil version of The Presence.
Yeah, the Presence.
A year or so ago, Quan and I (or at least I think it was Quan) pointed out all the times the Presence was in trouble and needed outside help.
Carnivore says : Hi.
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Jul 22nd, 2015 10:48 PM
abhilegend
Prince of All Saiyans
Gender: Male Location: Always second place
quote: (post ) Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah, the Presence.
A year or so ago, Quan and I (or at least I think it was Quan) pointed out all the times the Presence was in trouble and needed outside help.
Carnivore says : Hi.
Plot device characters.
Reed says hi.
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Jul 23rd, 2015 05:15 AM
abhilegend
Prince of All Saiyans
Gender: Male Location: Always second place
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr Master
A "comment?" .. more like "excellent points" from one of Marvunapp's own roster.
Donald Campbell is one of the 'Masters of Obscure' over at Marvunapp: (bio writers)
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/appmasts.htm
In fact, Jeff Christiansen (site Author/Owner)
even noted, for monthS Donald's been "supplementing & correcting errors in profiles,"
and evidently he writes, and helps write huge Marvel bio-profiles like the one below:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/russelljackww.htm
* You must've thought Marvunapp picked those "excellent points" out of a hat. ... but nah. So still nothing but comments.
Good.
quote: Next time research thoroughly before pointing fingers of fallacy at others.
I always do.
quote: Possibly, as the on panel evidence can be interpreted this way and as noted by a bio Writer over at Marvunapp.
Or it was a mistake on Gruenwald's part. Which again, can mean Gruenwald also forgot about the LT's barrier.
There is no evidence he forgot about the barrier.
quote: What If #43 has absolutely nothing to do with Quasar, in any way, shape or form.
What If #43 is a direct tie in/link follow up to What If #32, and nothing else.
It happened far after Korvac nullified the universe. Quasar happeened before that.
quote: What If #43 published February 1984 ... Quasar #30 published January 1992.
So?
quote: Again, if Gruenwald tried to jam his story into the original plot,
then he forgot about the LT's barrier, just like he definitely forgot about the Moon.
Or .. it was a different alternate reality. There's really no other explanations here.
Only if you want to apologise for LT's incompetence.
quote: Even "chronologically" speaking it would make no sense.
Of course it does.
quote:
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Jul 23rd, 2015 05:21 AM
MaZeRaIII
The Champion of the Gods
Gender: Male Location: Russia.
LT.
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Aug 2nd, 2015 10:03 AM
theTANTALIZER
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Pre retcon Molecule Man beats them both.
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Aug 2nd, 2015 02:43 PM
SquallX
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by theTANTALIZER
Pre retcon Molecule Man beats them both.
No.
It took The Presence to stop the GEB.
Last i check, the Beyonder was never, nor has ever been an Omnipotent being.
Aug 4th, 2015 01:56 AM
Time-Immemorial
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This post and your other one in the other thread are spot on.
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Aug 4th, 2015 02:07 AM
Prof. T.C McAbe
Kryptonian Scientist
Gender: Male Location: BatCave
quote: (post ) Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Handbook suggest Pre-Retcon Beyonder was.
Pre-Retcon Beyonder never existed in the first place, it's a fanmade mind-construct nothing more. Beyonder, when he appeared to stomp those Abstracts wasn't doing it, we the readers were just not aware of this fact till it was clarified later in a comic, which explained how powerful the beyonder really was and why it appeared that he beat those abstracts. This happens in comics. Fans call it retcon because they feel rekt because their fav char isn't that powerful but fact is this particular beyonder is below LT and it took 3 grown up Beyonders and some time to beat LT.
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Aug 6th, 2015 10:09 AM
BeyonderGod
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Gender: Male Location: Beyond Realm
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Pre-Retcon Beyonder never existed in the first place, it's a fanmade mind-construct nothing more. Beyonder, when he appeared to stomp those Abstracts wasn't doing it, we the readers were just not aware of this fact till it was clarified later in a comic, which explained how powerful the beyonder really was and why it appeared that he beat those abstracts. This happens in comics. Fans call it retcon because they feel rekt because their fav char isn't that powerful but fact is this particular beyonder is below LT and it took 3 grown up Beyonders and some time to beat LT.
Pre-Retcon Beyonder >>>>>The Beyonders >>>>>>The Living tribunal
Dont care he exist and he has a name the Original/Classic/Pre-Retcon Beyonder.
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Aug 6th, 2015 10:41 AM
Prof. T.C McAbe
Kryptonian Scientist
Gender: Male Location: BatCave
quote: (post ) Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Pre-Retcon Beyonder >>>>>The Beyonders >>>>>>The Living tribunal
Dont care he exist and he has a name the Original/Classic/Pre-Retcon Beyonder.
He exists only in the minds of some fans, but never did in comics, however if you want to go the illogical route:
3 Beyonders (Marvel Omniverse) > Omniversal LT > 1 Beyonder (Marvel Omniverse) > Multiversal Beyonder (what you call pre-retcon Beyonder) > Multiversal LT.
The Beyonder back than worked only in the Marvel Multiverse, LT to our knowledge too, now he is in a Omniverse, if you insist that Marvel was a Omniverse during this story because of later revelations you have to accept that pre-retcon never was above LT because of similar later revelations, everything else is a double standard and wishful thinking.
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Aug 6th, 2015 10:44 AM
Mr Master
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by SquallX
Last i check, the Beyonder was never, nor has ever been an Omnipotent being.
Ahh, the american sense of humor.
Beyonder was omnipotent and omniscient.
But to make the series interesting, Beyonder limited himself greatly. (literally an on panel portrayed fact)
quote: (post ) Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Pre-Retcon Beyonder >>>>>The Beyonders >>>>>>The Living tribunal
Dont care he exist and he has a name the Original/Classic/Pre-Retcon Beyonder.
... That's correct!
Pre-retcon Beyonder did exist, and then he was depowered by the next Editor in-chief of Marvel.
Also, Beyonder didn't come from the multiverse, and Beyonder didn't work for/in the multiverse either.
Beyonder was the embodiment of the endless infinity beyond the infinite multiverse.
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