Also, it was explained in the freaking manga why the increased Gravity affect Goku and Vegeta and it has NOTHING to so with the weight of the gravity. Goku said it affects him internally.
Lol...I miss you though. So you think it's ok for him to lowball Goku? That's exactly what he is doing. He is saying Goku is a 40 tonner when we recently see a depowered Goku pressing thousands of tons with ease in 10 times earth Gravity. He's lowballing. That's exactly what he is doing. Then he is using the gravity thing against the Z fighters without including the context.
That's like me bringing up KC Superman, a more powerful Superman falling to the ground when his weight was increased a hundred folds. Really? All I'm asking is, be reasonable with both characters. Look at their averages and you'll get your answer there.
The sensation of weight is why they struggle with gravity.
Dr. Brief's was trying to dissuade Vegeta from training at 300x Gravity because he judged by Vegeta's weight that he'd feel like he weighs, and I quote, "18 tons!" under that gravity and his legs wouldn't be able to handle it. That was outright stated by Dr. Brief's, and Dr. Brief's calculation checks out, since Vegeta is officially 125 lbs. x 300, is a little over 18 tons.
And what happened? Vegeta struggled mightily.
Hell, just recently in Super he showed 150x g can still strain him under very intense training.
edit: Also FYI, they outright said they were using Post-Crisis and New 52. The two reboots after Pre-Crisis is what they said.
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Yes he's more then a 40 tonner, yet Superman strength is 10000000000x whatever his base is..I'm not going to pick apart a whole post when I agree with the over all scope.
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We honestly don't know what Goku base strength is. Anime characters just don't go around bench pressing planets. That isn't what anime characters are all about but we do know Frieza durability is enough to tank multiple planets exploding on him, including whatever else he withstood in his fight against Goku and Goku during the Cell saga could punch a hole clean through him, a planet tanker. I can't see Superman one shot koing someone on Frieza caliber. It ain't happening (hell, I can't see him beating Frieza). If you look at the scope of DBZ characters and put two and two together, you would know how a fight like this should've went.
Also, good scan Galan. Confirmed that Cell was a solar system buster.
Not that I disagree with the overall outcome, but what I find kind of silly about the Death Match is that they implied Superman wins, in part, because he has no real limits... But King Kai has said the exact same thing about Goku: (please log in to view the image)
...And Goku's done nothing but prove this over the years.
For example: there was just over a year between the arrival of Raditz, and the death of Freeza. During that time, Goku's PL jumped from 416 to 150,000,000-- a difference of 360,576x. Hell, there just over a month between Vegeta and Nappa's arrival on earth, and the death of Freeza. In that time, Goku's PL jumped from 8,000 to 150,000,000-- a difference of 18,750x.
Even if we just look exclusively at the 13 year gap between Raditz' arrival, and Majin Boo's death... And even if we assume Goku's base and SSJ PLs stayed the same as they were on Namek(they obviously increased astronomically over the years), his power, factoring in SSJ2 & SSJ3, still increased by 2,884,608x total-- or an average of about 221,892xper year. In hindsight, I think I could buy King Kai's statement that he doesn't have any defined limitations to his power... And that doesn't even factor in SSJG-levels. /shrug
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When his guard was down, low ki.
Superdouche actually had similar showings, equally embarrassing or worse. Like that time when a mustache cowboy laser'd his ass repeatedly, while making fun of him
First it was a Dark Moon of unknown matter, second it moved fast as did Superman. On the other hand he stopped a saturn sized object with MMs help, which was speeding toward earth.
Also Superman went through a red sun and survived it, even was able to fight. Red suns depower him.
On his way back to earth he flew through six black holes to get rid of the dd virus.
I don't doubt that Goku,if focused and prepped could tank a planetbusting ki-blast, i think though different forms of energy, like entropy, would be beyond him but what i am pretty sure of is that you don't need a planetbusting physical attack to hurt or kill him. This is something entirely different. Spider-Man level strength should be enough to affect goku.
I also think that Superman would feel and get hurt by planetbusting ki blasts but he would no sell Gokus physical attacks. Him wading through a Kamehameha ist imo possible given Supermans history of doing such things if serious.
Still Goku should have won. We would have less db tards running amok.
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They did address this tho. They said Goku can overcome any limit. That's his whole character, overcoming the odds and breaking thru his limits. But breaking those limits takes time and training. If he has faced Buu right after Raditz he would not have been able to overcome that gap quick enough to win.
Goku has no limits in terms of growth potential. Every bump in power, he usually still has a defined upper limit, until the next upgrade.
While with Superman (and indeed, many high end heralds from Surfer to Thor), they tend to have ill defined upper limits because of a code against killing and a "world of cardboard" syndrome where they're in perpetual fear of "breaking" someone.
So because of that, you'll get wildly different spikes in power level, and writers who like a higher powered version of the character having Thor explain that the guy he one shot KOed only wrecked the Avengers team every other week because he refuses to tap into more then a quarter of his strength against mortals, even if he takes a loss.
I've posted scans from Trial of Superman from the 90's, because it had three issues in a row of Superman fighting Cyborg Superman, under three different writere, and three wildly different results. Match 1, they're fairly even, round 2 has Superman blitzing the shit out of Cyborg (After tanking his best shot while he's tapped into a mechanical planet!), and fight 3 has a possessed Cyborg tank Supermans best punch, then KO him with simple heat vision (And the possessor makes no claim to amping Cyborg, but only says "According to these memories, I'm even more powerful then you are")
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