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To me it looks like this

Laser almost killed Goku unfocused.

SM could have been sleeping unconscious and it would have done nothing.


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Yea superman has the luxury of not needing to power up ha


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That was from All Star right?

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That was from All Star right?
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Irrespective of the outcome (I agree with Superman winning overall), a deluded show once again, as expected.


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Quintilion tons feat is not canon.



how is it not canon its in the comic and is a feat hes performed.


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It's not canon to the version being discussed. It's a different Superman than mainstream Superman.


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DBZ characters are getting pretty op. Old Kai seems to think Beerus can destroy the universe...

I dont see how superman can content with that amount of raw power
Yet he didnt express how. So its vague as ****.

Having said that why did they make a rematch? Did they lose viewers or something? Also having Superman lobotomize Goku is so fkn wrong man.


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It's not canon to the version being discussed. It's a different Superman than mainstream Superman.


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And mainstream Superman could legitimately force Goku to bend over and plow his anus with a steely cock until he bleeds to death from the friction.

Goku has always been better than Superman in terms of energy output, but hopelessly outclassed in any physical category.

Even the new DB Super feats have not changed this.


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Here's the biggest part where you are wrong:



It's a book with infinte pages. That was established. Infinite pages equals infinite weight. It was written as clear as day. Just because you don't like it doesn't change it.

Also it clearly states "it contains every book POSSIBLE". Let that sink in for a second. Not every book currently out. Not every book that has been written. But every book that could ever be possibly made. Meaning books that are yet to be. Also books that will never be. If they are possible, this book contains it.

That also takes into consideration books on other worlds, not just Earth. That means your numbers are WAY off just on that point alone as we see in the DCU there are books on other planets.


Every book "possible", means that it doesn't contain books that are impossible. Which means that it is a finite number.

And also, the computer which processed the book had infinite memory. But it worked as a computer, which was powered by the internet. Other planets in DC use different means of knowledge sharing, similar to the internet, but different as well. For example, Oa uses the sheer force of willpower to transfer, store, and process knowledge, as well as do many other things. The internet, therefor computers, therefor the infinite memory computer, cannot process willpower. Or any of the alternative means of informational sharing that other planets use. It was explored in... I think it was an edition of Lobo? But it said that each planet has its own version of the internet. It was basically a convenient way of explaining why aliens don't use the internet to communicate with Earthlings.

So yeah, my estimate is the most logical assumption of the books weight, as it is a finite amount.

And I also have the supporting evidence, behind it being easier for Shazam and Superman to lift the book, then it was for Superman, Wonder Woman, Kyle Rayner, and Martian Manhunter to move Earth.

If Superman could lift infinite weight, he would have lifted the Spectre, EFFORTLESSLY by HIMSELF, and would have done the same by himself to the Earth.

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To me it looks like this

Laser almost killed Goku unfocused.

SM could have been sleeping unconscious and it would have done nothing.


Goku can be caught off guard just like anyone in DBZ.

Superman just has the luxury of his power being something he doesn't have to maintain, as it's simply his biology.

Superman is as durable while sleeping, as he is while awake, but that's because his powers are pretty much just the same thing as a super strong human.

That doesn't prove superiority to Goku, in any way other than he could probably kill him while he was asleep. Which Goku could do anyway.


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And mainstream Superman could legitimately force Goku to bend over and plow his anus with a steely cock until he bleeds to death from the friction.

Goku has always been better than Superman in terms of energy output, but hopelessly outclassed in any physical category.

Even the new DB Super feats have not changed this.


What feats does mainstream Superman have, above All-star Superman? Or PC Superman?

Because neither of them can contend with the confirmed universe busting Bills, who Goku is almost stronger than, as a SSJGSSJ.

Plus, Bills has a feat of TRAVEL speed, on par with what we've seen Superman do. All from DB Super.


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Every book "possible", means that it doesn't contain books that are impossible. Which means that it is a finite number.

And also, the computer which processed the book had infinite memory. But it worked as a computer, which was powered by the internet. Other planets in DC use different means of knowledge sharing, similar to the internet, but different as well. For example, Oa uses the sheer force of willpower to transfer, store, and process knowledge, as well as do many other things. The internet, therefor computers, therefor the infinite memory computer, cannot process willpower. Or any of the alternative means of informational sharing that other planets use. It was explored in... I think it was an edition of Lobo? But it said that each planet has its own version of the internet. It was basically a convenient way of explaining why aliens don't use the internet to communicate with Earthlings.

So yeah, my estimate is the most logical assumption of the books weight, as it is a finite amount.

And I also have the supporting evidence, behind it being easier for Shazam and Superman to lift the book, then it was for Superman, Wonder Woman, Kyle Rayner, and Martian Manhunter to move Earth.

If Superman could lift infinite weight, he would have lifted the Spectre, EFFORTLESSLY by HIMSELF, and would have done the same by himself to the Earth.


1. Again every book "possible" means that books that would never actually be written but could possibly be written count.
Or you could look at it this way: Imagine the writer of Harry Potter rewrote the books but changed an event and it altered the story. And then did it again changing something else. And then again and again. Maybe then after she’s run out of events to change she changes character’s names and then starts the process over again. When she’s done with that maybe she changes the names of spells. Then locations. The possibilities are literally endless and that is just using one writer and one story. Imagine if everyone that ever lived could do this. And again not just on Earth but on any planet in the DCU with intelligent life. And then do it 52 more times for each universe.

I Just don’t think you fully grasp the implications of “all books possible”. Also what is an impossible book?

2. The computer was only reading what it was given. It didn’t have to access other world’s information from those worlds. The information as already in the book

3. It’s really not though. You are trying to calculate our Earth’s books and then trying to use that to find the weight of this one and it doesn’t work for reasons I’ve already stated.

4. That “evidence” doesn’t stand up. It was even explained in the video, Superman has mental blocks that keep him from accessing the upper limits of his power. Sometimes he pushing past those blocks while other times he does not. That is why He will have trouble with something one day but the next he may surpass it by a ridiculous amount only to go back to his struggling days. It’s a part of his history.


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Yet he didnt express how. So its vague as ****.

Having said that why did they make a rematch? Did they lose viewers or something? Also having Superman lobotomize Goku is so fkn wrong man.


Yeah, that's Justice Lord Superman tactics. Even movie Man of Steel didn't just execute a helpless, defeated opponent.

That's Optimus Primes thing. evil face


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Superman did it to Manchester Black


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1. Again every book "possible" means that books that would never actually be written but could possibly be written count.
Or you could look at it this way: Imagine the writer of Harry Potter rewrote the books but changed an event and it altered the story. And then did it again changing something else. And then again and again. Maybe then after she’s run out of events to change she changes character’s names and then starts the process over again. When she’s done with that maybe she changes the names of spells. Then locations. The possibilities are literally endless and that is just using one writer and one story. Imagine if everyone that ever lived could do this. And again not just on Earth but on any planet in the DCU with intelligent life. And then do it 52 more times for each universe.

I Just don’t think you fully grasp the implications of “all books possible”. Also what is an impossible book?

2. The computer was only reading what it was given. It didn’t have to access other world’s information from those worlds. The information as already in the book

3. It’s really not though. You are trying to calculate our Earth’s books and then trying to use that to find the weight of this one and it doesn’t work for reasons I’ve already stated.

4. That “evidence” doesn’t stand up. It was even explained in the video, Superman has mental blocks that keep him from accessing the upper limits of his power. Sometimes he pushing past those blocks while other times he does not. That is why He will have trouble with something one day but the next he may surpass it by a ridiculous amount only to go back to his struggling days. It’s a part of his history.


1. You're missing the point here. "Every book possible" is STILL a finite amount of books. It portrays the fact that there are books which were IMPOSSIBLE to write, meaning that if JK Rowling got killed while writing Harry Potter in every universe, other than ours, then it was IMPOSSIBLE for Harry Potter to come out. And again, it is a VERY finite amount of books, when considering how information allows transfer of publications, and knowledge through META-PHYSICAL MEANS, such as the internet. Meaning that there are SEVERAL ways that this statement limits itself, in simply existing.

Unless Superman lifted it by himself, stating that the book weighed infinite weight, then the feat is NOT an infinite lifting feat. Since he needed Shazam's help, it PROVES that the weight is finite, as infinity divided by two IS STILL INFINITY. Meaning that the weight would not change, and Superman would still be lifting infinite weight, so Shazam's help would not be needed, or really even be help, in the FIRST place.

BUT since they BOTH have a FINITE weight lifting LIMIT, the books weight is ALSO finite. thumb up

And from there, the most logical calculation of the book, is the one that assumes the least. Hell, for all we know, there could be no books at all, on any planet other than Earth and Oa, in DC. And the only book on Oa is the book of Destiny, portraying the Blackest night.

2. I don't think you're getting me here, the computer didn't have access to knowledge databanks in every other storage system there is, such as willpower, love, rage, etc. Meaning that books stored on such mediums were not IN the book of infinity, meaning it holds a FINITE number of books.

3. Infinity / Infinity = Infinity. So since Superman needed Shazam's help, the weight was finite, as is their lifting capacity.

4. Superman's mental blocks don't restrict unlimited power from him. He simply doesn't have it. How do you think one Superman is capable of killing another, in the case of Superboy Prime? One infinity canNOT be larger than another, as it is a logical paradox. But FINITE numbers can be larger than others, MEANING that their powers are FINITE.

What about this is so hard to get, for you? No matter how much those Screwyattack idiots say that Superman is omnipotent, it won't magically make him omnipotent. He needed a mech just to fight Mandrakk, for christ sake. smfh no


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The reference is actually the infinite monkey theorem. And the number of pages were specified to be infinite.

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And ∞/∞ is neither finite nor infinite, it's undefined.


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Superman did it to Manchester Black

He only did it to Manchester to strip him of his powers though, not outright kill him like he did to Goku.


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Is Superman vs. The Elite even canon?


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