No because there's more to a universe than just planets. Also if there's no solid evidence that Beerus can destroy a universe in one shot, then there isn't a reason to assume that he can.
There are only 4 galaxies within the DB universe. So yes, it is very limited.
If Boo or Beerus destroyed every moon, planet, star, and everything in between, over the the course of thousands/millions of years, then yes, they would have effectively destroyed the physical universe.
Hell, In Boo's case Elder Kaioshin even implied that he would have eventually destroyed the realms beyond the physical universe as well(which is more than he credited Beerus with, btw.) So yeah...
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You're basing that off of a movie. Nowhere in cannon DBZ, was it stated that the DBZ-verse has four galaxies, only. It has been stated that there are four kai's that govern different quadrants of the universe, and that got mistranslated into galaxies in one of the movies.
If there were only 4 galaxies in the DBZ verse, then Kid Buu would have been the most terrified being in existence. He was stated to have destroyed, "entire galaxies", by Supreme Kai. Even assuming it was only two galaxies, that would have been half of the universe. Meaning that Supreme Kai would have instead said, "half of the universe.". Use logic Galan, you're better than that. Yes, the universe is limited, but I thought it was accepted that all fictional universes were, and that they are expanded on with different multi-verses, and omniverses.
And we have all seen your scans of Buu being a "threat" to the universe. WHEN THE SAME EXACT THING WAS SAID ABOUT FRIEZA. And I think Cell, even. Anyway, the Z-fighters have never said that an enemy would "destroy the universe.". They say that the universe will be doomed, or the universe will eventually die. Saying a character, i.e. Beerus, can destroy the universe, is completely different.
And we also have a minimum time-span to go on. Beerus only stays awake for a maximum of a day or two, after he wakes up from his hibernation. This is consistent, with showings from BOTG's, ROF, and Dragon Ball Super, so it is PROVEN that Beerus would destroy the universe in AT LEAST 24-48 hours. Which is less time than it took the anti-monitor to destroy universes, but that's neither here, nor there.
That doesn't really matter. Buu was just a ball of destruction, and rage, that could not be contained, no matter what. And he could travel to different dimensions, so he could destroy them too. Beerus is very containable though. Give him some good food, or a nice place to sleep, and he'll be your best friend. Hell, he'll even buddy up with someone just for giving him a decent fight. Whereas Kid Buu just wanted to eat, sleep for five seconds, and kill. The only period in which Kid Buu would have NOT been destroying something, is when he was sleeping, which he only did for five seconds at a time, every couple days. So it basically would have been non-stop destruction, whereas Beerus would have just destroyed the universe, and been done with it.
In hindsight, although Beerus is MUCH more powerful than Kid Buu, Kid Buu was a MUCH bigger threat. Especially because Beerus is Goku's friend now. Hell, he and Whiss even SAVED THE EARTH, which is supposed to be illegal for even gods. Just because Bulma gave them some ice cream.
Yeah, I'm not sure what he was... Yeah...
Um.. A universe is finite, carver. Destroying a planet, or even a blade of grass, is TECHNICALLY, destroying "part" of a universe.
You're right. But it wasn't stated that Beerus was a "threat" to the universe. It also wasn't stated that he could "eventually bring on the death of the universe.". It was stated that he could DESTROY the universe. Just like it was stated that Cell could DESTROY a solar system, or Frieza could DESTROY a star, or Vegeta(Saiyan saga) could DESTROY the planet.
Jesus, you guys are basing your whole argument off of nitpicking through statements like this? What are you, five? Use common sense. Would Toriyama have it stated in Dragon Ball Super THREE TIMES, that Beerus could "DESTROY" the universe, if he didn't mean that he could DESTROY the universe? The exact same way that Kid Buu could DESTROY a galaxy, or Cell could DESTROY a solar system, or Frieza could DESTROY a star, or Vegeta could DESTROY a planet? Christ.
It was not SPECIFIED how Beerus could DESTROY the universe, so we simply ASSUME that he could do so the same way that everyone ELSE in DBZ destroys things. With a ki blast. There is no proof that he can't do it, but there are statements that suggest he CAN do it. So as it stands, even if it's not a definite, the scales tip in favor of Beerus being a universe buster.
And as I pointed out to Galan, the window he would have to universe bust is less than a day or two. Since, when the statement was made, he had already been awake for a day, and he only stays awake for a day or two after awakening from his hibernations. So he would have anywhere from 0-48 hours to destroy the universe. And that is less time than it took the anti-monitor to universe bust.
Btw, I just wanted to say this to carver.
@ carver9: Don't ask for scans of the anti-monitor universe busting, because then I will be forced to post them. He has destroyed COUNTLESS UNIVERSES, as in PLURAL. In fact, he destroyed ALL the universes in the DC MULTIVERSE, except for ONE SINGLE UNIVERSE. Earth 1, which then became the composite Earth that all of DC's franchises rested on.
However, it took the anti-monitor WEEKS to universe bust. Because his anti-matter had to slowly spread across the entire universe. Well not slowly, but slow enough for it to take several days to spread across a universe.
Beerus only stays awake for 24-48 hours at a time, and had already been awake for 24 hours when the statement was made. So, even assuming he would stay awake for a WHOLE OTHER DAY, he had only a 0-48 hour window to destroy it in. Which would still mean that he would be flying around the universe, destroying thousands of galaxies at a time with single attacks, which would STILL make him a universe buster.
And Whiss would never allow that, so it's more likely that he would have done it in a single attack, that Whiss couldn't have stopped. Even then though, Whiss could have turned back time and stopped him. Although the kai's, and Goku, didn't know that, so their statements are still viable.
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So, you're saying Kid Buu would've destroyed planet 1 at a time, every black hole, stars, moons, etc... how can that even happen? Is that possible. How can he even locate everything in the Universe? No matter how much time is given. I think you all are thinking too hard on this.
The UNIVERSE is divided into 4 segments. Doesn't mean it isn't big as hell...just means that each sector has been divided into pieces for the Kai's to look over. Isn't hard to understand.
The universe itself is still infinite/endless. However, it is primarily stated to be comprised of only 4 different galaxies: north/south/east/west--each galaxy/quadrant is governed by a Kaio, the Dai Kaio governs over them, and the Kaioshin(the greatest authority in existence) governs over ALL.
This, again, is how Toriyama has canonically modeled the DBU: (please log in to view the image)
The mortal universe and the Demon Realm("Maikai") are both contained within the bottom half of the large "snow globe" which makes-up the DBU. The upper half consists of the afterlife, where Enma's facilities sit upon a gigantic magic cloud-layer separating Hell from the rest of it. Places like: the four Kaio's and Dai Kaio's planets, Snake Way, the giant planet that serves as heaven, a massive sun-like star, and likely Beerus and Whis' temple are all scattered around the upper half of the afterlife.
The Kaioshin realm, made up of the main planet and multiple small suns surrounding it, is contained in its own separate little snow globe that circles around the main one containing the rest of the universe. As mentioned: it exists in an entirely different realm than the rest of the DBU.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Aug 25th, 2015 at 04:37 AM
You are acting like Beerus couldn't destroy the universe in between naps. No one could stop him save Whis so yes he COULD destroy the universe. Doesn't mean he would.
The problem that I have is that we have to assume at all. It wasn't made clear on way or the other so imo we cannot use it as a given feat when we don't know how it would be done or how long it would take.
Doesn't Whis KO him for his naps? Or was that just the one instance? I'm asking because if Whis has to KO him, then without Whis he would have much more time to destroy
Are you asking how things are possible in a story with gods, monsters, aliens, androids, magic, and other such nonsense. Come on Carver you can do better
And it's hilarious that when you're being proven wrong, it's because others are thinking too hard. I bet if we thought too hard in your favor you'd have no issue
there were 4 quadrants each quadrant had at least 4 galaxies in it. brolly blew one quadrant which would be at least 4 galaxies. buu did similar. you can bicker over technicalities all day but these things werent ass pulls, toriyama never stated any dissatisfaction about them happening and he created Broly, he approved toei's decisions in regards to movies. in other words these things are obviously in line with his take on the characters which is why solar system busting and sun busting should have never been so controversial for as long as they were. logically with these extreme jumps in these characters strength since then the next thing is universes. it will not be long before we see definitive proof we are dealing with universe busters and then they'll be the next batch of semantics and excuses.
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