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RotS Sidious vs. Nihilus
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Stigma
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RotS Sidious vs. Nihilus

Setting: Naboo plains

Who wins?

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Palpatine.


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Stigma
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But... de drainz?

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Sheev wins. There's no evidence that N's drain would work without prep and his vaunted TK was insufficient to KO Canderous for Chrissakes. Sheev is more powerful and more skilled.

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Stigma
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Sheev wins. There's no evidence that N's drain would work without prep and his vaunted TK was insufficient to KO Canderous for Chrissakes. Sheev is more powerful and more skilled.

I agree with that reasoning. I'd also add that Force users on the same tier as RotS Sidious (Yoda, Vitiate, Plagueis etc.) can take Nihilus too.

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I doubt Nihilus could even react to Sidious, to be honest. And Palpatine is more powerful and more skilled regardless. He wins.

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Sheev wins. There's no evidence that N's drain would work without prep and his vaunted TK was insufficient to KO Canderous for Chrissakes. Sheev is more powerful and more skilled.


There's no evidence or anything remotely indicative of prep with Nihilus' drain. As ever, it is a complete fabrication on your part.


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Just like there's no real evidence that he can use it in combat. thumb up


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Him using it in combat is how he was destroyed.


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NewGuy01
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Neph likes to argue that Nihilus's power isn't the standard orange beam we see in KOTOR, but rather a cloud of black smoke. Which wasn't at all involved with his death on the Ravager.


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No I don't. It's both. Different depictions of the same ability, seen in different media's. Nihilus consumed Katarr with his power and later tried to use the same power on the Exile to consume her, but was repelled. Avellone just changed the depiction for the comic, probably couldn't make it look how he'd wanted in the game or something.

Kreia uses the same technique on the Jedi Master's. It's easy to use. Hell, we know the talk about prep is bollocks because Meetra uses the ability throughout the whole game subconsciously and the Sith Assassin's use it in a similar manner.


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There's no evidence to suggest that one could successfully utilize the drain on a planetary level or to defeat a powerful Force adept like Sheev without significant prep or the aid of a nexus.

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... so much for preparation. erm


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In the same way Malak devastated Telos with a thought.

The Sith on M4-78 devastated the planet with a thought.

Doesn't mean they used force powers.


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Key words are "dark and devastating powers," "consume," "ability," and "Drain Force." thumb up


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...Which does explain why N devoured Telos and the Exile's companions aboard the Ravager instead of losing a duel and dying.

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Jaggarath
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Not really. Nihilus' forces were ambushed by the Republic. It's highly possible his attentions were temporarily divided to managing his forces. No one wants to start draining while they are in such a vulnerable position, tbh.


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The_Tempest
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You said all it requires is a thought, which is certainly far quicker than a lightsaber duel and a naval battle. 👍

Unless... There's another way to read it, perhaps?

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Jaggarath
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I was making the assumption the quote is referring to the time it takes for his dark side energies to begin assaulting the planet. He would still be left vulnerable as it runs across the landscape tbh.


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How would he be any more vulnerable for the duration of the drain? If there's no prep work involved and its that effortless?

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