Ah I see, that makes some sense.The only blow they landed was when Opress knocked them to the ground, aside from that Dooku pretty much humiliated them...
On the other hand Ventress vs Vos, he played them off each other then ragdolled them both, knocking Ventress near unconscious.That is very true, though Maul would have expended energy too.Well I was referring to the novel, but that was probably because of Anakin.
"Dooku's Sith mastery barely gave him the edge over his former apprentices."
He was of course far superior to either one (in Sabers and in the Force), but I think saying he was humiliating them both is taking it a bit far, since they fought for a while and he never actually took out either one of them, and the fight in fact ended with Dooku and Ventress combining their powers to attack Opress, then Dooku escaping.
That fight isn't a best example in that scenario. You said that he was barely winning against inferior duo. Yeah, true. But it was very small room, they took Dooku by surprise.
His fight against similar/a bit superior combo (Anakin and Obi-Wan) in the last season of TCW and movie as well is far better example.
Fight on the open field is far better scenario for Dooku.
Oh I'm not ignoring the context, or pretending that was Dooku's best performance or anything. Just pointing out, that fight in that situation wasn't easy for him.
Yeah that was a pretty awesome performance.
But he's clearly had far more trouble with Anakin in the past. So i think we have to put all the evidence together and judge.
Which is why I say Dooku would certainly have a shot at taking them both. But I personally think a split or win for the Maul/Kenobi duo is more likely. Especially given Maul's beastly Tk, which he seems to have better control/mastery over than Skywalker.
Vader is more powerful but Dooku was capable of taking out Kenobi while there was someone superior to Maul fighting next to him so Dooku might actually perform better. On the other hand, Vader could very well abuse TK and take out Kenobi like Dooku did since he is more powerful than Dooku so I guess it all depends on how you look at the fight that took place on the Invisible Hand.
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Vader would trash this team. If Dooku and Maul can choke Kenobi then Vader who is much more powerful than either of them will be able too easily. Then consider that Maul isn't all that much stronger in the Force than Kenobi and he should be up for a good thrashing as well.
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I don't see how they are getting past 1. KenobI has shown he isn't on dookus level and Dooku can take him out with the force if necessary and Dooku is more than capable of taking down maul with his blade or his force powers, and if KenobI does he won't get a force rage boost due to him hating keneobi and with that the teams synergy is off completely and they would never get along due you know maul killing Obi wans master, and Kenobi chopping maul in half and leaving him for dead on Naboo. So synergy isn't good what so ever.
The only reason Dooku struggled against Ventress and Opress was location. It was an environment where they could capitalize on Savage's raw power the most. In a locale where Dooku can retreat rather than match the strength head on like the Geonosis arena, I believe Dooku has a much better chance of eliminating Kenobi fairly swiftly.
Could also be a factor on why he lost to DS Vos. Since Vos (like Ventress/Opress) found Dooku to challenge him, Dooku didn't exactly choose the environment as he wasn't even expecting the fight.
It's quite possible, that Dooku was able to catch Kenobi off-guard only because he outmaneuvered him in lightsaber duel. Kenobi lost his balance and lowered his guard in the Force.
Against Maul he was caught about 3 times? Against Maul and Opress he had to split his attention between both of them. Next time he was in terrible condition, just after his ship was shot down. And in "The Sith Hunters" he lowered his guard and attacked Maul as fast as he could to protect other beaten Jedi.
With this kind of interpretation, it's possible that Vader would be forced to distract Kenobi before he could catch him off-guard. Would be hard since ROTS Kenobi is at least comperable (or superior) duelist. And Maul is there as well.
But if we assume that both, Dooku and Maul, could catch Kenobi with their TK, then I agree, that Vader would stomp Kenobi and then would beat Maul.
Dooku manages to lay physical attacks on Skywalker as well. I'm wondering why people still believing that "Makashi is weak against strong forms" and are completly ignoring that Dooku was able to overcame both, Anakin and Obi-Wan at once, in a saberlock (which throw them off balance and enabled him to lay kick on Skywalker and choke on Kenobi).
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