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What do you consider Trumps political affiliation? Because he used to be far left, now he's trying to get the far right vote. In office, I see him a moderate.

Trump is a business man. He gloats about making deals all the time. His campaign is selling a deal. He is not being honest about what he can accomplish, and that is exactly why I might vote for him


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Well I have to go by what he's currently saying, which would mean he's right wing for sure. If that changes in the general election then I suppose it's possible, but I doubt he'll move far enough to the left for me to seriously consider him.


Would you have voted for him back when he was far left if he was running then?


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Would you have voted for him back when he was far left if he was running then?

No way. I'm not liberal at all. I'm conservative except for drugs and immigration


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Trump is a business man. He gloats about making deals all the time. His campaign is selling a deal. He is not being honest about what he can accomplish, and that is exactly why I might vote for him


He does know how to make a deal, it was a NYT best seller for years, still might be..

He has plenty of accolades of being a deal maker.

Maybe he can make deals to help everyone.


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No way. I'm not liberal at all. I'm conservative except for drugs and immigration


I was asking Backfire, you sniped that in so I had to go back and quote.


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Would you have voted for him back when he was far left if he was running then?


I can't say, that would depend on what exactly he said at the time and who he was running against.


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I was asking Backfire, you sniped that in so I had to go back and quote.
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Are you Christian


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I am, not a very good one. But I believe in Jesus.


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Watching the debate again..

Man Sanders hammered her on Kissinger..

This is a good read

http://www.motherjones.com/politics...lic-de-la-renta


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I am, not a very good one. But I believe in Jesus.

I'm catholic. I meet lots of illegal immigrants at my church. Lots of young women escaping rape, gangs, forced prostitution.
I know a girl who was raped by her uncle since she was five. Ms13 was forcing her into prostitution. Her face is covered in scars. She should be political asylum but it isn't logistically feasible considering how many cases like this are coming across the border. The problem I have with the gop is that they would love to send all these people back yet they talk about God this and god that.
Well, I rather put god before man's laws and man's created borders. That is the problem I have with trump and many of the gop immigration ideas. They are massive hypocrites for political gain. I can hardly see Jesus sending many of these people back to probable death or misery.


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Religion and Politics never mix well. I do know when asked about taxes he said "give to Caesars what is Caesars and give to God what is Gods." Which to me means, follow the laws. And Jesus was never a law breaker, he followed the law, even though he was technically above it.

As far as immigration, well its a touchy issue on all sides. Imo I would love everyone to just be able to come here and be one big happy family. But as history tells us, its never worked anywhere. I don't think the US can be the worlds lifeboat or dumping ground.

I look at it like this. When you go to Costco, or an ATM, do you skip to the front of the line because you think you have a right too? No, you don't cut in line, thats just the way it is, you wait in line and start at the back, just like everyone else.

Thats how I view immigration, if you want to come here, wait in line. Even if it takes a while.


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Religion and Politics never mix well. I do know when asked about taxes he said "give to Caesars what is Caesars and give to God what is Gods." Which to me means, follow the laws. And Jesus was never a law breaker, he followed the law, even though he was technically above it.

As far as immigration, well its a touchy issue on all sides. Imo I would love everyone to just be able to come here and be one big happy family. But as history tells us, its never worked anywhere. I don't think the US can be the worlds lifeboat or dumping ground.

I look at it like this. When you go to Costco, or an ATM, do you skip to the front of the line because you think you have a right too? No, you don't cut in line, thats just the way it is, you wait in line and start at the back, just like everyone else.

Thats how I view immigration, if you want to come here, wait in line. Even if it takes a while.

My brother...search you heart. You know this isn't right


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God needs to be kept out of politics all together. He/It shouldn't come before law. Since then where would you draw the line? People kill in the name of God after all.

I also realize a lot of illegals come from bad situations. But then to me I just can't help but think "well do we not have people here in need who also come from bad situations?". Some people have this idea in their head that we can help everyone who needs it.


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My brother...search you heart. You know this isn't right


I think even people that waited on Jesus for healing waited in a line. We can't just abandon all civility, common courtesy and abandon countries.

We can't absorb all of Central America.

I suspect that within 20 year if nothing changes, California will be 70% illegal immigrants

There is currently 10 million in California and 20 million or more nation wide.

California houses half of them.


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Ok Q, how is Hilary getting around this one?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ails-marked-cl/

"More than 15 percent of the latest batch of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s emails released Saturday contain classified information, with three of the messages being labeled “secret” — continuing to add to the questions surrounding her email use.

One of the messages is an extensive missive from David Satterfield, a top U.S. diplomat to Egypt, who told top officials in both the White House and State Department about negotiations in the Sinai. The entire contents of the messages are now deemed “secret,” though there is no indication they were marked as such at the time. The message was forwarded to Mrs. Clinton by top aide Jacob Sullivan.

In addition to the three “secret” messages, more than 80 others were marked “confidential” — the lower level of secrecy — and also heavily redacted."


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In regards to Hillary and the email debacle she's just playing spin the words to appear innocent.

She never sent emails MARKED classified.......lol because if they originated from her they wouldn't be marked classified on a nongovt server to begin with..........seriously its childish.

More imporantly on the trust issue Hillary has with both democrats and republicans it seems republicans distrust her because of her emails and democrats because of her wall street money.

Either way she has issues with trust.

Good thing ole Bernie digging for those minority votes said he felt an executive order is how he would handle the illegal immigrant problem.

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Did you read that article I posted, these actually were secret and classified, and not retroactively classified.

Also listen to this

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journa...ll-of-dc-media/


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Did you read that article I posted, these actually were secret and classified, and not retroactively classified.

Also listen to this

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journa...ll-of-dc-media/


Yup I read both of them.

I thought it was funny the term muscular to describe policy and it was such an easy to trace term since its used only on her and by ppl that had correspondence with her team.

I'm just glad that the article described that behavior as coming from both sides of the aisle, its certainly not unique to a specific party.

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Well being un bias, I have to post this as well..

What do you guys think.

http://www.investors.com/politics/e...nts-your-money/

16: Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders said Monday his parents would never have thought their son would end up in the Senate and running for president. No kidding. He was a ne’er-do-well into his late 30s.

“It’s certainly something that I don’t think they ever believed would’ve happened,” the unabashed socialist remarked during CNN’s Democratic town hall forum, as polls show him taking the lead in Iowa and New Hampshire.

He explained his family couldn’t imagine his “success,” because “my brother and I and Mom and Dad grew up in a three-and-a-half-room rent-controlled apartment in Brooklyn, and we never had a whole lot of money.”

It wasn’t as bad as he says. His family managed to send him to the University of Chicago. Despite a prestigious degree, however, Sanders failed to earn a living, even as an adult. It took him 40 years to collect his first steady paycheck — and it was a government check.

“I never had any money my entire life,” Sanders told Vermont public TV in 1985, after settling into his first real job as mayor of Burlington.

Sanders spent most of his life as an angry radical and agitator who never accomplished much of anything. And yet now he thinks he deserves the power to run your life and your finances — “We will raise taxes;” he confirmed Monday, “yes, we will.”

One of his first jobs was registering people for food stamps, and it was all downhill from there.

Sanders took his first bride to live in a maple sugar shack with a dirt floor, and she soon left him. Penniless, he went on unemployment. Then he had a child out of wedlock. Desperate, he tried carpentry but could barely sink a nail. “He was a shi**y carpenter,” a friend told Politico Magazine. “His carpentry was not going to support him, and didn’t.”

Then he tried his hand freelancing for leftist rags, writing about “masturbation and rape” and other crudities for $50 a story. He drove around in a rusted-out, Bondo-covered VW bug with no working windshield wipers. Friends said he was “always poor” and his “electricity was turned off a lot.” They described him as a slob who kept a messy apartment — and this is what his friends had to say about him.

The only thing he was good at was talking … non-stop … about socialism and how the rich were ripping everybody off. “The whole quality of life in America is based on greed,” the bitter layabout said. “I believe in the redistribution of wealth in this nation.”

So he tried politics, starting his own socialist party. Four times he ran for Vermont public office, and four times he lost — badly. He never attracted more than single-digit support — even in the People’s Republic of Vermont. In his 1971 bid for U.S. Senate, the local press said the 30-year-old “Sanders describes himself as a carpenter who has worked with ‘disturbed children.’ ” In other words, a real winner.

He finally wormed his way into the Senate in 2006, where he still ranks as one of the poorest members of Congress. Save for a municipal pension, Sanders lists no assets in his name. All the assets provided in his financial disclosure form are his second wife’s. He does, however, have as much as $65,000 in credit-card debt.

Sure, Sanders may not be a hypocrite, but this is nothing to brag about. His worthless background contrasts sharply with the successful careers of other “outsiders” in the race for the White House, including a billionaire developer, a world-renowned neurosurgeon and a Fortune 500 CEO.

The choice in this election is shaping up to be a very clear one. It will likely boil down to a battle between those who create and produce wealth, and those who take it and redistribute it.


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lol, he's making Sanders appeal out to be a negative. "Can you believe it, he had this opinions for 50 years, he didn't have a rich dad that gave him a small business loan of a million dollars, and he still doesn't make a lot of money"...what a loser.


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