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CLASH OF TITANZZZ!!1 The Saint vs LOB

rules as per id's tourney, 5 post max, BF is a terraformed mars with fully breathable atmosphere but still lacking people.

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LordofBrooklyn wrote on Aug 19th, 2015 11:53 PM:
BEAR WITNESS TO DESTRUCTION!!!

I PRESENT TO YOU THE GREATEST AMALGAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE!!!

Nova Prime and Absorbing Man present an UNSTOPPABLE combination. The cosmic might of the Nova Force now bonded to a being that can absorb any substance in the universe and bend it to his will.

Resources

I will now go through the distinct powers of both of these characters.

The Worldmind-

http://i.imgur.com/bZJGBuO.jpg

The one aspect that spells ANNIHILATION for that filthy Eurotrash, Darksaint!

The Worldmind allows Nova to not only instantly assess the strengths and weakness of an opponent it also provides precise information on how to attack given this knowledge.

http://i.imgur.com/ANKIUp3.jpg

This now negates the one and only glaring weakness of Crusher Creel.

Speed

Nova's speed will allow Crusher Prime to contend with the Kryptonian speed possesed by Krypto.

http://i.imgur.com/EMw7F8K.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/keiLLBu.jpg

Offense

Creel can absorb anything. Even more he doesn't have to come into direct contact to do so. This is another critical advantage that Crusher Prime has over the desperate dog of Darksaint.

THE BATTLE

Crusher Prime has auto-shields ready with the Nova Force. With the power of the Worldmind Creel's intellect is no longer a detriment. He absorbs the power of the cowardly canine by being in his proximity thus augmenting his power even more. The absorption allows the Worldmind to gauge the sunlight based power of Dismal dog and Crusher Prime drains the energy from him.

Puny Pup will no doubt try a psionic blast but given the telepathic immunity granted by The Nova Force it will be to no avail. The Nova Force, Creel Force and now Kryptonian force will overwhelm any shield feckless fido comes up with to withstand the onslaught.

In the end, the primal instincts of feeble fleabag will come to the forefront and they will attempt to physically dominate Crusher Prime. Combined with the energy draining, the versatility of the Nova force, and Creel's power of absorption, the opposition is eviscerated!

In Closing

Creel's power alone has proven problematic for some of the most powerful characters in the Marvel universe. Combined with the Nova Force, Crusher Prime has every advantage in this battle. The Kryptonian power of Krypto only augments that of Creel. The psionic power of Cosmo is rendered moot by the telepathic immunity granted by The Nova Force. The crippled canine has no protection against Crusher Prime and will be put to sleep with extreme prejudice.


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Chapter 1. Doggy style
So. The reputed leader of the House of El, brought low by its dog. How embarrassing.

Unlike my previous tourneys, I will keep this short and sweet. Mainly because it wouldn’t take much to finish LoB off.

Ding. The bell rings.

I IMMEDIATELY create what I call a TK condom around LoB’s entire person.
Here is Cosmo, creating a TK bubble:
http://i.imgur.com/8oZnhLw.png

And again:
http://i.imgur.com/64Egxth.png

So, the issue of a bubble is not in question.

Do I have the CONTROL needed?

Here, he kills the Cancerverse Hulk with a well placed stroke in his brain:

http://i.imgur.com/eGta34t.jpg

So I can obviously create TK fields, and I have the fine control needed.

This will be done at speed. The speed of thought, to be precise – allied with Krypto’s superspeed.

How fast is Krypto?

Fast enough to outrace Kid Flash and Superboy.
http://i.imgur.com/1Y4yxsk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/K278srq.jpg

But of course, that is travel speed. Not reaction speed.

Here he is, casually playing fetch, and actually surprising Superman with ‘immediate’ returns:
http://i.imgur.com/dUgpVwH.jpg

So speed is not an issue. I have a Kryptonian’s instinctive speed of thought.

‘Are you crazy, DS??’ I hear all you cry. ‘Those scans are pathetic! They show Cosmo FAILING!’

No. DS is beink good dog.

The bubble is designed to fit perfectly all around LoB. Shutting him off from all external contact. I don’t care that it is weak – if Lob attempts to break it with his hands by punching out of it or ripping it to shreds with his bare hands (doubtful), guess what – he touches, and thus absorbs it. He becomes Cosmo’s TK energy.

And Cosmo is very good at controlling his own TK energy. Much better than Absorbing Man or Nova is at TK – neither of whom have any experience whatsoever.

Quasar did something similar; his control over energy overrode Creel’s. And who is better at controlling Cosmo’s TK energy, than Cosmo himself?

Note, I am NOT creating a nice round bubble for him to twirl around in. I am creating a form fitting sheath that hugs him ever so tightly.

He absorbs the energy, BECOMES the energy, and I control him. Not just any TK energy, mind; COSMO'S TK energy.

LoB is scattered to the four winds.


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POST ONE

Deviant Darksaint decided dogs denote dominace....

DESPICABLE!!!!!

1. Cosmo Brand TK- This has to be the most pathetic gambit in the history of combat! Debauched Darksaint is contending that mere TK is going to stop the onslaught of Crusher Prime.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This strategy is so flawed that scans are truly unnecessary.

There is no such thing as "Cosmo brand TK".

Cosmo's TK is simply force being applied mentally. That is it. Superboy's tactile TK as stated requires touch but in no way is it a force solely under his control. The same applies to Cosmo's TK. Conversely, the cosmic power of Quasar's bands have a direct relationship with the wielder.

Allowing for debased Darksaint's scenario, lets look at Crusher Prime's ability to absorb and control power.

Here is an example of what Crusher Prime can handle.

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Odin's Power>>>>>>>>>>>> Cosmo's TK

There are 2 important things to notice in reference to Deranged Darksaint's argument.

1) Learning Curve- Creel's mastery of Odin's power is instantaneous. There was absolutely no learning Curve. If Crusher Prime can achieve that with a Skyfather's raw power, then certainly he can do the same with mere TK from a rabid Ruskie!

2)Corporeal control- Odin was unable to manipulate Creel's body even though it was completely composed of his power. Again, if a Skyfather couldn't disperse Crusher Prime in his own realm, there is no way puny pup is going to pull it off.

All of this was achieved without the addition of something that renders Creel invincible.

THE NOVA FORCE

With the power of the Nova Force and the tactical prowess granted by The Worldmind, Crusher Prime easily counters any measure by Limp Lassie.

Now here is what Delusional Darksaint has to deal with.

1) Energy Absorption- The Dog duo's resistance to this attack.

None!

2) Mind-control- The Canine combo's resistance to this assault.

None!

These 2 alone are more than enough to put Darksaint to sleep.

DIE DARKSAINT!!! DIE!!!!

GOOD DOG!!!


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Oh. Oh dear. Woe is me, for I am undone.

Only kiddink. LiesofBrooklyn is…how you say it? His bark is worse than his bite.

Let me break his post down, one by one. Along with it, I will also address some falsehoods he – if he is indeed, truthful about being a ‘he’; I suspect he’s nothing but an asexual bundle of lies and rabid foaming – had in his opening
Firstly, judges, please ask him to showcase proof of this supposed ‘psionic immunity’, as lovingly detailed in his opening post. Actually, scratch that, because I can show it here. Behold, the one, single TP resistance feat the Liar of Brooklyn boasts of:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...psi_shields.jpg

Mmm, very convincing. HOWEVER, do not be swayed by his lies.

Next time Nova Prime met Harrow, guess what? Not only does Nova Prime have to COMMAND Worldmind to raise shields (so, at human reaction speed levels), it actually FAILS. Why? Because he’s physically close to Harrow. Much like we are here on this battlefield. IOW, LoB MAY be able to block me IF he was far, far away,across galaxies, but up close? Nova doesn’t actually have ANY TP resistance feats.
[img=http://s24.postimg.org/fdsu7yvip/3283757_nova_15_zone_megan_pg15.jpg]
[img=http://s24.postimg.org/w0aeh1ogh/3283756_nova_15_zone_megan_pg16.jpg]

So yeah, judges, ask him to present proof of his TP resistance - and proof that he can actually outreact a Kryptonian, who is so fast he outraces legit speedsters and plays catch with THE Kryptonian. Not that I need any for now, because frankly, it’s only needed for Phase 2 of my plan. Yes, I have a three phase plan for LoB, and will showcase them in the fullness of time. I am no ditherer like LoB, switching and shifting. My plan is foolproof – although I admit, I have yet to test it against the fool that is LoB.

Next. No proof of Creel ‘superseding’ Odin’s power. Ask for proof, again, judges, for LoB promises much, but delivers little. You are not his girlfriend – you don’t have to settle for so little!

Not only is Creel Asgardian in nature, Odin was TOYING with Creel during that encounter. Here is the conclusion to that battle, which LoB will omit:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...836977-am+8.jpg

Note Creel’s inability to fight against Odin’s control. And Creel’s desperate realisation that Odin could have done that to him at any time (his words, not mine). What did LoB lyingly assert again?
quote:
Corporeal control- Odin was unable to manipulate Creel's body even though it was completely composed of his power. Again, if a Skyfather couldn't disperse Crusher Prime in his own realm, there is no way puny pup is going to pull it off.

A complete lie. Odin ALLOWED him to be there, and could have controlled him at any time. I can't blame LoB, however. He obviously knows little about his draft, and relies on forum myths and respect threads.

Now, let’s see what happens when Creel’s body is surrounded by something, shall we?
[img=http://s7.postimg.org/80sfqihef/SH_23_DCP_0037.jpg]
[img=http://s7.postimg.org/ke59xf72v/SH_23_DCP_0038.jpg]

I confess, these are not my scans. They’re taken from Creel’s respect thread. Embarrassing. Apparently, this is what LoB has drafted. Someone who, when surrounded by water, becomes water against his will, is unable to control himself, and is dispersed. And this, apparently, is a showing worthy of a respect thread. Imagine if, instead of being surrounded by water, he was surrounded by TK energy.

He has not shown ANY proof, however, that he can resist my control. Or that he can resist ANY control, or even HAS any control.

Phase 1 is still in effect. Phase 2 won’t even be needed, let alone Phase 3.

LoB is dispersed to the four winds.


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SECOND POST

Dimwitted Darksaint denies documented displays demonstrating dominion.

DEPLORABLE!!!!

As you all can plainly see , my opposition, THE SNAUSAGE SNORTER, has no real defense for the cosmic onslaught that is Crusher Prime!!!

Let us again, go over the many displays of folly and falsehood this wretch has engaged in.

1.Dark Deception- This will be short and destructive for the punk poodle in the other corner.

Telepathic resistance- Nova has demonstrated psionic immunity. The lying lapdog was forced to display it to you.

His response

Ignore it voters and affirm that the trans-terrier can accomplish the attack despite canon.

Crusher Prime has psionic immunity.

Crusher Prime 1 Crippled Canine 0

2.Assault in Asgard- Again, despicable dino wants to ignore the evidence that will destroy him.

Creel rampaged throught Asgard as shown in the battle and absorbed a direct energy assault from Marvel's premier skyfather, Odin.

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His desperate response

Odin was just playing with Creel and allowed his subjects to be brutalized, his realm ravaged, and his royal person to be assaulted for mere amusement.

LIES!!!

The canon stands with Crusher Prime!

BELIEVE IN CANON.

Crusher Prime 2 *****-Made Bulldog 0


3)Control of absorption- Mad mutt, Darksaint, wants you to believe that Crusher Prime has "No control over his absorption"

LIES FROM THE PIT OF HELL!!!

Creel has pin-point precision with his absorbing abilities.

He has displayed this against none other than.......

THE SENTRY

BEAR WITNESS BELIEVERS!!!!

http://s246.photobucket.com/albums/...tts_DCP_029.jpg

http://s246.photobucket.com/albums/...tts_DCP_030.jpg

Crusher Prime absorbed the energy he wanted and maintained absolute control while doing so.

Crusher Prime 3 Piss Poor Poodle 0

4) Light-Speed- Nova has displayed lightspeed routinely in his career. Once again the BS Bulldog that is Darksaint says that he can't manage against Kryptonian speed. Now, I can post Nova speed feats as I've already done but I will just end the issue with this.

Crusher Prime simply absorbs light and uses it to attain absolute, undeniable, lightspeed!

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Case closed

Crusher Prime 4 Trans-Terrier 0


Now, I went through all of that to torture the Mad Mutt known as Darksaint but really it was all unnecessary. As I've stated before, there is no way out for the Canine combo, for these 2 reasons.

1) Any attack from Crippled Canine AUTOMATICALLY empowers Crusher Prime!

Speedblitz- Defended by the auto-shields

result

Crusher Prime now has Kryptonian level superspeed

Tk Bubble( Deviant Darksaint prefers TK condom, the demented doberman)- Crusher Prime has Psionic immunity.

result

Crusher Prime now has Cosmo level TK

2) Feeble fleabag cannont defend himself against my assault

1) Energy draining- The dogs have no defense against energy draining.

2) The Nova Force- Creel alone is a beastly behemoth. Now coupled with the Nova Force he is unstoppable..

Darksaint is DOOMED!


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Post 2
As it was prophesised, so it came to pass.

LoB has NOT addressed my points, and to be honest, I am kinda scared that he is going to beat me with his ultimate attack, which would undoubtedly end me.

His rabies.

LoB’s lie #1: TP immunity
No TP feats from Nova, I see. Note how he was unable to respond to the Harrow attack. Moreover, IF he has such vaunted psi-shields…they are certainly not automatic. Nova has to GIVE the commands to Worldmind, verbally (in my Harrow example, he actually failed, as Harrow was physically close to him AND he was too slow).

But that was Harrow. Here is the first meeting between Cosmo and Nova Prime. Worldmind? Don’t be swayed by LoB’s pitiful reliance on bios and handbooks. You can clearly see:

  1. No telepathic immunity, as Cosmo casually talks to him
  2. A massive gap in Worldmind’s database on Cosmo. IOW, Worldmind is nothing more than a glorified early-stage Wikipedia, with massive gaps in its knowledge. Between it and Creel, I can see why LoB was drawn to such characters.

Without any warning, without any verbal commands from Nova, he has NO TP immunity:
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/l7e98a2c3/image.jpg]
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/uci0oegcz/image.jpg]
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/3tzdfohn7/image.jpg]
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/kt8buxsur/image.jpg]

I agree, Nova Prime had the Phalanx virus at the time, but that never stopped Worldmind from warning Richard of dangers, or from scanning for threats (you even see Worldmind telling him Cosmo was approaching). Had Cosmo opened with a TP attack, the saga would have ended there and then.

All moot, anyway, as I have said before, as it was needed for Phase 2 – note I haven’t actually attacked him telepathically yet. I merely write all this to highlight LoB’s lies, and to cast doubt upon him. If he is attempting to mislead you with such simple, easily-verifiable facts, who knows what else he is lying about?

Cosmo knows.

LoB’s lie #2: Overriding Odin
His next point, that of the Odin fight…heh. I predicted he would omit the end of that fight, and he acquiesced. Soon, I will make him dance a merry jig for your amusement. You can clearly see that there is more to that fight, which he didn’t post. Allow me to once more reiterate the end of that fight:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...836977-am+8.jpg

Odin ALLOWED Creel to do what he did, and was NEVER in any danger. Creel even acknowledges Odin was toying with him and could have thrown him out of Asgard at any time.

LoB’s lie #3: Pinpoint precision
You can always tell when you’re winning, as you opponent starts grasping at straws and adds additional points on in an effort to hoodwink you. This brings me on to a new point of LoB – his ‘pinpoint precision’.

LoB? More like LoL.

That fight with Sentry? Firstly, in their FIRST fight, Creel was UNABLE to control his energy absorption. Unless Creel has fought Cosmo/Krypto before, that’s going to be moot. Here, for your refreshment, is how their first fight went:
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/eolevcq4z/Civil_War_The_Return_001_022.jpg]

But, what about the second time? I’m sure LoB will cook up some farfetched scheme whereby the Worldmind helps with tactical awareness.

Bad luck.

You see, in their second fight, Osborn PLANNED to be captured. That entire fight was staged. None of it was real. IOW, use of it as proof of Creel’s mastery is a bit...dubious. Desperate. Disingenuous.

Proof that it was staged:
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/dnl66895f/Lethal_Legion_3_0021.jpg]

Let’s see other examples of this ‘pinpoint precision’, shall we?

As posted before, here, Creel is unable to control his absorption when surrounded by water:
http://postimg.org/image/80sfqihef/
http://postimg.org/image/ke59xf72v/

Spidey’s words: ‘You could’ve killed him’. With a simple energy blast. Great precision there, Creel:
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/t6im3chg3/MKSP18_07.jpg]

Maybe LoB is right. Maybe water is Creel’s downfall? Note his anguished cry of ‘not being ready’. Imagined if he was surrounded, at high speeds, by a TK field from a Kryptonian operating at the speed of thought (please ask him for proof of either Richard Rider or Creel being able to react to a Kryptonian. Note, too, my wording). Anyway, here is Creel being turned into water AGAIN, against his will. Maybe Krypto can just slobber on him….:
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/63s346fyr/mkspidey14_018.jpg]

Let’s keep going for more examples of his ‘precision’.

Spidey takes him out by making him absorb the properties of two chemicals which form an explosive. Disingenuous, you might say, as Creel is dumb and didn’t know what he was doing. Yet, it shows without knowing it, he doesn’t have a choice in being able to actively resist being turned into something against his will.

[img=http://s5.postimg.org/jjf3tmogj/MKSP18_15.jpg]


Something alien, something he had never encountered before? Hmm. Creel isn’t doing too well with this vaunted precision, is he? Once more, when Creel meets something he has not encountered before, something alien, he actually gets KOed. Now LoB is telling me he can absorb a Kryptonian, and TK energy, neither of which he has encountered before? Piffle:
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/b7jcsdr2r/Thunderstrike16_21.jpg]

LoB’s lie #4: Lightspeed
Oh, sorry, I didn’t know we were in a race. Wait, we’re not? Proof that he has lightspeed reflexes? Note, the same scans that show his LACK of TP immunity, also showcase his lack of reflexes: Worldmind may be fast, but with Richard in the driving seat, it can only present information – Richard has to process it, then give the verbal commands:
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/iel1o91zn/3283757_nova_15_zone_megan_pg15.jpg]
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/4mb86d0lv/3283756_nova_15_zone_megan_pg16.jpg]

I agree, though. If LoB wishes to end this match by running away, he certainly has the scans to prove THAT tactic.

Wait, what’s this? Creel absorbs light and gets lightspeed? Da f….Yeah.
So many things wrong with this lie. I never attacked him with a light attack (maybe he got confused? Easily done) and Creel has NEVER shown the ability to absorb ambient light to become Spectrum, lol. Not sure why he posted a scan of Dazzler and Black Bolt fighting Creel. Desperation? So early?

Post 2 conclusion
I am using TK – not sure what LoB is on about when he talks up his mythical TP immunity. Maybe he has his letters all discombobulated? All in a muddle? Or maybe he has silently acquiesced, and now agrees that TK is not just a mere ‘force being applied mentally’?

He has shown no TP resistance. No TK resistance. No real control of what he can or cannot absorb/change into, when forced against his will. No ability to gain lightspeed reactions.

Whereas Phase 1 is still in effect. Match starts, I raise shields/condoms – but not around myself, around LoB. He absorbs the energy, attempts to become the energy, and I strike.

Really, had he actually presented a challenge, the next two phases may have been needed. As it is, I see no reason to present them yet.

LoB is diffused to the four winds.

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Post 2
As it was prophesised, so it came to pass.

LoB has NOT addressed my points, and to be honest, I am kinda scared that he is going to beat me with his ultimate attack, which would undoubtedly end me.

His rabies.

LoB’s lie #1: TP immunity
No TP feats from Nova, I see. Note how he was unable to respond to the Harrow attack. Moreover, IF he has such vaunted psi-shields…they are certainly not automatic. Nova has to GIVE the commands to Worldmind, verbally (in my Harrow example, he actually failed, as Harrow was physically close to him AND he was too slow).

But that was Harrow. Here is the first meeting between Cosmo and Nova Prime. Worldmind? Don’t be swayed by LoB’s pitiful reliance on bios and handbooks. You can clearly see:

  1. No telepathic immunity, as Cosmo casually talks to him
  2. A massive gap in Worldmind’s database on Cosmo. IOW, Worldmind is nothing more than a glorified early-stage Wikipedia, with massive gaps in its knowledge. Between it and Creel, I can see why LoB was drawn to such characters.

Without any warning, without any verbal commands from Nova, he has NO TP immunity:
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/l7e98a2c3/image.jpg]
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/uci0oegcz/image.jpg]
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/3tzdfohn7/image.jpg]
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/kt8buxsur/image.jpg]

I agree, Nova Prime had the Phalanx virus at the time, but that never stopped Worldmind from warning Richard of dangers, or from scanning for threats (you even see Worldmind telling him Cosmo was approaching). Had Cosmo opened with a TP attack, the saga would have ended there and then.

All moot, anyway, as I have said before, as it was needed for Phase 2 – note I haven’t actually attacked him telepathically yet. I merely write all this to highlight LoB’s lies, and to cast doubt upon him. If he is attempting to mislead you with such simple, easily-verifiable facts, who knows what else he is lying about?

Cosmo knows.

LoB’s lie #2: Overriding Odin
His next point, that of the Odin fight…heh. I predicted he would omit the end of that fight, and he acquiesced. Soon, I will make him dance a merry jig for your amusement. You can clearly see that there is more to that fight, which he didn’t post. Allow me to once more reiterate the end of that fight:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...836977-am+8.jpg

Odin ALLOWED Creel to do what he did, and was NEVER in any danger. Creel even acknowledges Odin was toying with him and could have thrown him out of Asgard at any time.

LoB’s lie #3: Pinpoint precision
You can always tell when you’re winning, as you opponent starts grasping at straws and adds additional points on in an effort to hoodwink you. This brings me on to a new point of LoB – his ‘pinpoint precision’.

LoB? More like LoL.

That fight with Sentry? Firstly, in their FIRST fight, Creel was UNABLE to control his energy absorption. Unless Creel has fought Cosmo/Krypto before, that’s going to be moot. Here, for your refreshment, is how their first fight went:
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/eolevcq4z/Civil_War_The_Return_001_022.jpg]

But, what about the second time? I’m sure LoB will cook up some farfetched scheme whereby the Worldmind helps with tactical awareness.

Bad luck.

You see, in their second fight, Osborn PLANNED to be captured. That entire fight was staged. None of it was real. IOW, use of it as proof of Creel’s mastery is a bit...dubious. Desperate. Disingenuous.

Proof that it was staged:
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/dnl66895f/Lethal_Legion_3_0021.jpg]

Let’s see other examples of this ‘pinpoint precision’, shall we?

As posted before, here, Creel is unable to control his absorption when surrounded by water:
http://postimg.org/image/80sfqihef/
http://postimg.org/image/ke59xf72v/

Spidey’s words: ‘You could’ve killed him’. With a simple energy blast. Great precision there, Creel:
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/t6im3chg3/MKSP18_07.jpg]

Maybe LoB is right. Maybe water is Creel’s downfall? Note his anguished cry of ‘not being ready’. Imagined if he was surrounded, at high speeds, by a TK field from a Kryptonian operating at the speed of thought (please ask him for proof of either Richard Rider or Creel being able to react to a Kryptonian. Note, too, my wording). Anyway, here is Creel being turned into water AGAIN, against his will. Maybe Krypto can just slobber on him….:
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/63s346fyr/mkspidey14_018.jpg]

Let’s keep going for more examples of his ‘precision’.

Spidey takes him out by making him absorb the properties of two chemicals which form an explosive. Disingenuous, you might say, as Creel is dumb and didn’t know what he was doing. Yet, it shows without knowing it, he doesn’t have a choice in being able to actively resist being turned into something against his will.

[img=http://s5.postimg.org/jjf3tmogj/MKSP18_15.jpg]


Something alien, something he had never encountered before? Hmm. Creel isn’t doing too well with this vaunted precision, is he? Once more, when Creel meets something he has not encountered before, something alien, he actually gets KOed. Now LoB is telling me he can absorb a Kryptonian, and TK energy, neither of which he has encountered before? Piffle:
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/b7jcsdr2r/Thunderstrike16_21.jpg]

LoB’s lie #4: Lightspeed
Oh, sorry, I didn’t know we were in a race. Wait, we’re not? Proof that he has lightspeed reflexes? Note, the same scans that show his LACK of TP immunity, also showcase his lack of reflexes: Worldmind may be fast, but with Richard in the driving seat, it can only present information – Richard has to process it, then give the verbal commands:
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/iel1o91zn/3283757_nova_15_zone_megan_pg15.jpg]
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/4mb86d0lv/3283756_nova_15_zone_megan_pg16.jpg]

I agree, though. If LoB wishes to end this match by running away, he certainly has the scans to prove THAT tactic.

Wait, what’s this? Creel absorbs light and gets lightspeed? Da f….Yeah.

So many things wrong with this lie. I never attacked him with a light attack (maybe he got confused? Easily done) and Creel has NEVER shown the ability to absorb ambient light to become Spectrum, lol. In that scan, Dazzler attacked him with light, which he then absorbed. Not sure why he posted a scan of Dazzler and Black Bolt fighting Creel. Desperation? So early?

Post 2 conclusion
I am using TK – not sure what LoB is on about when he talks up his mythical TP immunity. Maybe he has his letters all discombobulated? All in a muddle? Or maybe he has silently acquiesced, and now agrees that TK is not just a mere ‘force being applied mentally’?

He has shown no TP resistance. No TK resistance. No real control of what he can or cannot absorb/change into, when forced against his will. No ability to gain lightspeed reactions.

Whereas Phase 1 is still in effect. Match starts, I raise shields/condoms – but not around myself, around LoB. He absorbs the energy, attempts to become the energy, and I strike.

Really, had he actually presented a challenge, the next two phases may have been needed. As it is, I see no reason to present them yet.

LoB is diffused to the four winds.

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POST 3

Darksaint, DUKE OF DUMBASS, desperately dodges debate.

DISGRACEFUL


Darksaint, the craven canine, is so gripped with fear that he is breaking with every post!

1) Odin- The point that all but the deranged dog, Darksaint, can view is simple.

A Skyfather's own energy didn't cause Creel to be under Odin's control.

If Odin couldn't achieve it, Rabid Russkie, certaintly can't pull it off.

2) TP Resistance FOREVER- Washed up weiner, Darksaint, puts forth deception and then tries to throw out truth at the last second to cover it up.

It's not working, boy!

Nova, as he tried to brush by, was weakened by THE PHALANX VIRUS.

What has a full powered Nova Prime accomplished against TP assault?

NOVA PRIME RESISTED THE ASSAULT!!!!

3) Crusher Prime: Master of Control- The Mad Mutt and his rabid delusions strike again.

Osborn's plans are Irrelevant to the point of the 2nd Sentry encounter.

Creel clearly demonstrated his improved control over absorption by NOT getting overloaded by The Sentry when absorbing his powers the second time.

3) Lightspeed bearer- The mangy mongrel that is Darksaint once again insults the intelligence of all those who witness his ramblings.

WATCH!!!

"Creel has NEVER shown the ability to absorb ambient light"- Feeble fido, Darksaint

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

PATHETIC!!!!

Why WOULDN'T Creel be able to absorb light?

The simple answer is that there is no reason he shouldn't be. But, to end any possible debate about the issue, I present the following.

http://i.imgur.com/cmhliCB.jpg

Crusher Prime has the ability to create light!

He creates the light and absorbs it thus allowing him lightspeed.

FIN.

4) Creel KO'd by alien substances- Darksaint, Duke of Dumbass, REALLY is grasping at straws with this one.

Witness this cry for help

"Once more, when Creel meets something he has not encountered before, something alien, he actually gets KOED."- Darksaint, Duke of Dumbass.

WHAT?!!!!!!

This shows how absolutely asinine this argument is.

ABSORBS PIECES OF A COSMIC CUBE!!!

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Creel never encountered a Cosmic cube before and he absorbed its power effortlessly.

Cosmic Cube>>>> Cosmo's TK/Kryptonian powers


Now, once again I have summarily dismissed ALL of the delusional dog, Darksaint's false claims.

You will notice that the Craven Canine has YET to counter the following.

1) Energy Absorption- Creel Prime simply absorbs the energy from the canine combo.

The dog's protection against energy absorption....

NONE

2) Empowerment- While draining energy from the helpless hound, every attack from the opposition only EMPOWERS Creel Prime further.

The helpless hound's defense against empowering Crusher Prime...

NONE

This KM level beating has been brought to you by, Crusher Prime!


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Oh, LoB, you do spoil me. Two posts to tear apart in such a short period of time? My, my.

Once more, he fails to show any proof of what I term ‘control resistance’. Odin was letting the entire scene play out – even telling Creel (in LoB’s own scans) that Odin cannot be threatened with his own powers. Whilst he uses his sceptre to ‘swallow the cosmic fury’, seeing as we later learn that the sceptre is essentially worthless, Odin was never in any danger. Never attempted any control. To assert he would have failed, when Creel acknowledges Odin would have been able to, if he wanted at any time, is asinine itself.

Not that Cosmo = Odin, of course. Never said he was. But if LoB’s sole, laughable ‘proof’ of ‘control resistance’ is the fight with Odin (who never attempted control in the first place), well, it falls on me to rip it apart. Does he have any other resistance feats? Pray, show them, so they too can fall before me.

TP resistance? So, still none, then? Sure, he resisted…a grand total of once. When Harrow was far, far away. I did concede, if LoB’s strategy relies on running away as swiftly as possible, he may have a chance. But up close? He was mindraped. Literally. Tentacles and all. With the full Nova Prime force, no less! He was too slow to react, and too weak to defend.

Master…of…control?? Sure. Ambiguous at best, as it merely shows that Sentry MAY have allowed a trickle of power to flow to Creel. I find it telling, however, that no mention has been made of ALL the entire incidences of Creel being unable to control what he absorbs, when forced to against his will.

  1. Sentry wrecked him.
  2. Stellaris made him curl up into a ball
  3. Ethan Edwards nearly killed him.
  4. A splash of water turned him

Yeah, I doubt he’s all that great.

But wait. Cosmic Cubes are pretty damn powerful. LoB raises a very good point (his first?).

Actually, no, he doesn’t.

Prior to that scan showed, Creel and his ball had been exposed to slivers of a Cosmic Cube for weeks (months?) – whilst he was hooked up to a neural scrambler. IOW, by the time he had absorbed the Cube, he had been acclimatising for a while to it – against his will. Thanks LoB, for simultaneously helping destroy your own argument and helping me!

Proof (which LoB strangely lacks):
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/s9gs87vbn/The_Mighty_Avengers033img009.jpg]

Never encountered a CC, eh? Lie.

Now, to answer his ‘points’.

Energy absorption
Really? From a distance? Please, provide proof. Not to mention, I have shown how when surrounded by something (water), Creel is unable to focus on anything else, and takes on the properties of it. I have surrounded him with a TK barrier – how is he absorbing anything but that which I have forced him to?

Empowerment
I thought there were two points. How is this a separate point? How is he taking any energy from me when condomised? Moreover, once he becomes TK energy, I will simply rip him apart. Note, I am not using HV, or barking, or getting up close and biting him. He no doubt thought that would be my strategy, but then, lesser minds would think so.

LoB is diffused to the four winds.

Wait, haven’t I already used the word ‘diffused’? Repeating myself?

I guess no new points or strategies have been raised by LoB, so I may as well repeat myself.

Coming up next post: Phase 2. So bored am I of Phase 1, and LoB’s lacklustre posts. Now I know how Sin feels when reading his posts.


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POST FOUR

Dingy, disabled, desperate, Darksaint, defines defeat!

1) Creel Master of Control: THE SEQUEL- Dismal dog must be suffering from an advanced case of Rabies to keep pushing this point.

Duke of Dumbass contends

"Once more, when Creel meets something he has not encountered before, something alien, he actually gets KOED- Darksaint, Duke of Dumbass

This gluttonous greyhound is begging for more abuse.

I WILL OBLIGE HIM

1. Uru- A substance not found on the earthly realm. When Creel encountered, Mjolnir, for the first time which is entirely composed of Uru, what happened?

He absorbed it efffortlessly

Crusher Prime 1- Something alien- 0

2. Odin's power- Clearly power emanating from Odin is alien to all those other than him. Creel having never encountered Odin took numerous energy based assaults from him?

The result

Creel absorbed cosmic might easily.

Crusher Prime 2 Something Skyfather level alien- 0


This is the death rattle of Darksaint desperately trying to stay from the big Milkbone in the sky.

TK is NOT doing anything to Crusher Prime but empowering him.

2) Energy Draining- First a double post and now an inability to read. Someone, PLEASE, check up on the powerless pup before he succumbs to the onslaught!

The energy draining I am speaking of comes from NOVA PRIME as I've stated since the beginning.

Crusher Prime has the ability to drain energy in the same manner at WILL.

This brings me to another point

3) The NOVA FORCE- Now I know Darksaint is the product of both British dentistry and bad food which have obviously diminished his already limited intellect. NEVERTHELESS, he keeps forgetting that the Nova Force is also accessible to Crusher Prime.

Not only does the putrid pound puppy have the nerve to argue that decades of canon showing Creel's mastery of absorption be thrown out. He also has the gall to suggest that Nova Prime's durability and invulnerability can be overwhelmed and simply "DIFFUSED" across space.

[B'] HERESY[/B]

4) The Four winds- This is what I and ALL reasonable, rationale, and fairminded voters and readers should think of Crusher Prime being "Diffused to the four winds"

TO HELL WITH THE FOUR WINDS!!!!

Have Darksaint, Dog whisperer, answer the following questions.

1. When has Cosmo ever displayed the ability to control a being on Creel's and now in Combination Nova Prime's level with his TK and disperse them as he suggests?

ANSWER- NEVER

2. When has it been suggested or even intimated that Cosmo can perform such a feat in all of his canon?

ANSWER- NEVER

Let me now summarize what Darksaint wants you to accept like so many kibbles n bits.

1)Too Alien to absorb- Odin's power, Uru, and varied attacks through Mjolnir, prove this argument to be false.

2) Lack of control- He absorbed The power of The Sentry the second time SOLELY through an advancement in his absorption control. Yet Cosmo level TK is supposed to be too much to handle. Canon proves this to be false.

3) Control through TK- No one has been able to exert control over Creel through his absorption of their powers. A skyfather didn't, a high herald with arguably the most powerful weapon in comics didn't and certaintly a rotten, Russian, retriver won't either.

In closing, Darksaint wants you to DISMISS the established canon supported by scans in favor of both Creel and Nova Prime. While in addition SUPPORTING arguments for Cosmo that have NO basis in canon whatsoever

RIDICULOUS.

This beaten Bulldog must believe that everyone must be foaming at the mouth like he is to accept his premise.

The price of victory over Crusher Prime is high and Old Yeller can't afford the bill.


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Hello, Radioshack? Yeah, my stereo has an issue with it. Yes, it’s the LoB model. Well, you see, no matter what I try to play on it, it keeps repeating and playing the same track over and over again…

So to counteract my showings (Stellaris etc), and my rebuttals (Cosmic Cube etc), rather than address them, he simply drops the subject, and attempts to redirect them in other directions. Incidentally, in my previous post, I neglected to address another point of his – that Creel Prime could produce light, then amp himself to become lightspeed.

Note the rules:
quote:
Amping Rules: Disallowed. Materials that aid a power (i.e. Jeffries/adamantium) are allowed. Power amping is not (i.e. The Ray + Kara)

Tsk. Misdirection, lies, and now rule-breaking? This may wash when you’re in a three way, but now there is nowhere for you to hide, no coattails on which to hang. You cannot simply amp yourself up to lightspeed.

But back to LoB’s post.

Uru? As in, Asgardian magic? As in, what Creel is comprised of? You’re telling me that this is alien to Creel? Ok. ‘Tis a sad day, when your opponent has to school you in your own character, LoB.

Odin’s power? Once again, Odin was toying with him. Anything that happened, was due to Odin’s own hand.

Energy draining? Pray, show proof of Nova Prime doing so. Add it to your shopping list, along with proof of his lightspeed reactions, his TP resistance, his control resistance, and the kitchen sink which you are trying to throw at me. IOW, every single facet of your ‘strategy’.

Has Cosmo ever displayed the ability to control a being of TK energy? Well, at this point, the question should be, has Creel ever displayed the ability to control himself when forced to absorb something? So far, the proof has been lacking - whereas Cosmo has shown multiple times the ability to control TK energy. I have already done so, but am mystified as to why Nova/Creel’s level is a factor. They are not TK masters, adepts, or even beginners – Nova and Worldmind have never shown any TK abilities. Neither has Creel. What level are you, LoB, assigning to them? You can’t just assume that they can suddenly override the control of Cosmo, when they have become Cosmo’s TK energy – something that he controls on a daily basis.

As for the feat of TK dispersal – well, such a feat would be shown EVERY TIME he uses TK. It does not linger there permanently – once Cosmo uses it, it appears and then disappears. He can raise TK shields, then lower it. Blow a bloodlusted Adam Warlock away with energy – which obviously then disappears. It’s not permanent:
http://i.imgur.com/QMpdAzc.jpg

This TK energy was sufficient to halt fighting between the Luminals, Starlord, Rocket Racoon, Gamora, Mantis, Drax, Quasar, and Adam Warlock (‘That was some scary show you put on. You knocked everyone flat on their asses'):
http://i.imgur.com/Xt7DkyF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eJKAMxO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PN4dGX6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0S7pOII.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gcZ81xC.png
http://i.imgur.com/ATAKljk.png

So. Phase 1, to reiterate, is still valid. I use my Kryptonian speed, and sheathe him in TK energy. He becomes said energy (as he did with water - twice, those chemicals that Spidey dunked on him, Sentry etc). IF he does not KO himself, he will become subject to my manipulations – as with all other examples of Cosmo using TK. If LoB presses this avenue, it is a blind alley. If he really wants to go down this route, I can simply say that I fire him out into the atmosphere, one part at a time.

As a bonus scan, here is yet ANOTHER scan of Creel being forced to turn into something against his will:
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/rqlc9szmb/SH_23_DCP_0021.jpg]

Phase 2, however, can still be in effect. As I am bored.

Note, LoB, that none of this is actually being used – no need to even attempt to fight back, for not only would you lose, Phase 1 is more than enough to defeat you, barring yet another duck, dip, dodge, dive and dodge from you.

What would that be?

A follow-on from Phase 1. I sheathe my teeth in TK, then, I bite. Again, the only thing coming in contact with him is TK. Done at Kryptonian speed, and power:

Krypto is beink man’s bestest of friends. Drawing blood from a Silver Age Kryptonian. SBP. A pretty famous feat:
http://i.imgur.com/5WXABg2.jpg?1
He did it again, but it was at night, so this should suffice.

Nearly killing Mongul. Yes, THAT Mongul:
http://i.imgur.com/5QAMrY7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2zDpt9y.jpg

Atlas. For context, Supergirl was KOed by a blast from ONE of those rooms. Atlas is also magical in nature. Durability is naturally mine IF LoB had the presence of mind to try and mount a feeble counterattack:
http://i.imgur.com/aWtZIuT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TEgjSMJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UM29WOu.jpg

Other Kryptonians:
http://i.imgur.com/XBoa2LD.jpg

So, my speed is already something that can take Kryptonians, SA Kryptonians etc by surprise. But they’re small fry. Here is Krypto blitzing Superman 1M, in addition to the others already shown:
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/5c3ntkwur/1849066_kryptoownskal.jpg]

Reaction feats from Richard/Creel, please? And by that I mean, not Worldmind naming things left right and centre, but Richard’s actual feats. A jet fighter can tell it's pilot of targets all around him - does not mean that pilot has supersonic reactions. Don’t forget, Krypto has taken Superman by surprise with his instant returns. Unless LoB wishes to assert a mere Low Herald like Nova Prime has faster reflexes than Superman?

I thought not.

Phase 1 is as above. Phase 2 is me tearing his throat out. Phase 3? I trap him in my collar.

What?
http://i.imgur.com/qwhkPq1.png
http://i.imgur.com/guaPDfv.png

Starlord later copies this tactic, and traps the entire population of Knowhere in his tesseract against their will:
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/54g0x2lw3/Guardians_of_the_Galaxy_022_017.jpg]
[img=http://s5.postimg.org/nvhy78ggj/Guardians_of_the_Galaxy_022_018.jpg]

LoB, you have one post left. One post to showcase proof of your reaction speeds (that can enable you to deal with a speedblitzing Kryptonian and his TP attacks), TP resistance feats, control resistance feats, Nova’s energy draining (and not from a machine or energy being, but their lifeforce), and the abilities needed to defeat not only Phase 1, but Phases 2 and 3. Not to mention, you need to showcase how you would deal with energy you have never encountered before (and would certainly not be in Worldmind's vaunted databanks), and ALL of this would need to be highlighted in sufficient detail to outweigh all of the scans, proofs and rebuttals I have been soundly thrashing you with thus far.

Wow, aren't I helpful, summarising it all for you?

This, incidentally, is how Krypto treated Xon-Ur, a fanatical supporter of Rao. Remind you of anyone here, judges? Point to note: those blades emit red sun radiation. Something that weakens Kryptonians:
http://i.imgur.com/xXCmMsD.jpg


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FINAL POST

THE DEATHSTROKE

Since the beginning of my onslaught, Duke of Dumbass has attempted to lie, obfuscate, dodge and trick his way out of defeat.

THERE IS NO WAY OUT!!!!

From the introduction to this final post of brutality I have proven EVERY point with ease and will do so now.

Clearly, Darksaint is in the final stages of Rabies and has completely gone off the deep end.

I will dispatch of 3 of the Crazed Canine's challenges with the utmost of ease and better yet, Darksaint, will support me.

1) Proof of TP reistance- Nova Prime has TP resistance.

Here is the proof

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...psi_shields.jpg

Now let us look at Doggie Darksaint's descent into madness as he addresses the issue.

"Nova doesn't actually have ANY TP resistance feats"- Darksaint, crazed canine

"Behold, the one, single TP resistance feat the Liar of Brooklyn boasts of"- Darksaint, Duke of Dumbass

"Without any warning, without any verbal commands from Nova, he has NO TP immunity"-Darksaint, the mad mutt

" I agree, Nova Prime had the Phalanx virus at the time but that never stopped Worldmind from warning Richard of Dangers"

[img]http://thefinereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Laughing-dog.png[/image]

Challenge number one- Completed Successfully

2) Proof of Control Resistance- Creel has displayed control resistance

ODIN

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SENTRY

http://s246.photobucket.com/albums/...tts_DCP_029.jpg

http://s246.photobucket.com/albums/...tts_DCP_030.jpg

COSMIC CUBE

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Crusher Prime has clearly demonstrated control while wielding the absorbed abilities of THE Skyfather in, Odin, a character bordering on Trans status in, The Sentry and the immense power of the Cosmic Cube.

Darksaint's response to the evidence

Odin allowed Creel to do what he did, and was NEVER in any danger"-Feeble Fido

"Osborne planned to be captured"- Dimwitted, Dog whisperer, Darksaint

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Challenge 2- Successfully completed

3) Proof of lightspeed- Nova Prime has consistently portrayed lightspeed.

http://i.imgur.com/EMw7F8K.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/keiLLBu.jpg

Darksaint's response to the evidence

Incidentally, in my previous post, I neglected to address another point of his – that Creel Prime could produce light, then amp himself to become lightspeed.

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Challenge 3- Successfully completed

4) Proof of Draining lifeforce- Another dirty, despicable, depraved, deflection by Darksaint.

Draining ENERGY is not the same as draining one's LIFEFORCE.

Here is Nova Prime draining ENERGY!

http://oi61.tinypic.com/214s8yu.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/2u7rll1.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/10wjxj7.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/rc0o5e.jpg

Now that all of the pathetic challenges to deny Crusher Prime's victory have been addressed we can move to the final stage.

LAST RITES

Voters you have seen the evidence provided over 5 posts that supports my plan to victory through both canon and reason. Here is the list of what you must accept in order to grant Crusher Prime victory.

1) Crusher Prime has never been controlled through what he absorbs- From the power of Odin, to the myriad of attacks from both Mjolnir's abilities and Thor's, to that of The Sentry, Creel has maintained control and has never been manipulated by what he has absorbed.

Fully supported by Canon

2)Instant learning Curve- Creel even with his notoriously limited intellect has never shown an inability to wield a power effectively once its been absorbed.

Fully Supported by canon

3)Achilles Heel conquered by The Worldmind- In virtually every story depicting Creel, he is not laid low by superior power or an inability to utilize what he absorbs but in a word.. STUPIDITY. The addition of The Worldmind removes that weakness completely.

Fully supported by canon

4) The Nova Force- One of the most powerful cosmic forces in comics is now added to Creel's immense power. Durability, invulnerability, strength, speed all enhanced without once touching the opponent. With the addition of energy draining which is different than absorption.

Fully Supported by canon

5) Empowerment- Creel's absorption powers coupled with that of The Nova Force are instantly enhanced by every attack the opponent makes against them.

That's it.

Conversly, here is the list of what you must accept to grant the Craven canine victory.

1) Cosmo brand TK- Cosmo's power of telekinesis isn't simply force being applied by his mind but a unique form of energy which not only trumps the powers previously absorbed by Creel but also renders him under Cosmo's control.

This means that Cosmo's TK can do the following

A) Accomplish what Odin, Thor, and The Sentry were unable to do when Creel Absorbed their powers.
B) Override not only Creel's will but the backing provided by The Nova Force to cause him to DIFFUSE to the four winds.

None of this is supported by Canon.

2) Alien Overload- " When Creel meets something he hasn't encountered before, something alien, he actually gets KOED". A brazen lie and an absolute joke.

Here is what you must accept to make this statement true

1) All Asgardians and their magic are the same.

The fact that Creel easily absorbed the power of Odin, Thor, Mjolnir and Uru only took place because he was "EXPOSED" to Asgardian magic. Following this logic Loki and The Enchantress should be able to ignore any magical assault from Thor and Odin as the power is Asgardian in origin. Even more, The Destroyer should pose no threat to any Asgardian according to the Mad Mutt as AGAIN Asgardian magic is all alike.

As a correction( One in a long list) Uru is NOT composed of Asgardian magic but rather is an excellent means of retaining magical enchantments.

2) Everything else- The Sentry's powers, Gamma radiation from The Hulk, Quantum energy from Quasar, etc.

3) Tk Power vs Everything else- In the instances in which Creel was overwhelmed he was dealing with the following. The power of The Sentry in their first encounter and the power of The Quantum bands from Quasar. This means that Cosmo's TK must rival that of The Sentry and an all out Quasar and even more The Cosmic Cube.

None of this is supported by canon

3) No TP resistance[/b}- According to Darksaint, Nova Prime has no TP resistance.

Here is what you must accept to make this argument valid.

1) [b]Darksaint vs Darksaint
- Darksaint stated that Nova Prime showed TP resistance in the past. This is trumped by the other half of Darksaint that denies it

2) Canon- Nova Prime clearly displayed TP resistance

Nova Prime not having TP resistance is not supported by Canon

4) Nova doesn't posseses lightspeed

1) Ignore the depictions of lightspeed- Nova Prime routinely travels at lightspeed and shows reactions approaching that level.

2) Creel Can't absorb Ambient light- There is absolutely nothing in canon that would prevent Creel Prime from absorbing Ambient light.

3) Illegal amp- HAHAHHAHAHAHA, excuse the laughter, you would have to accept that Crusher Prime who already posseses lightspeed is somehow amping his level of speed by absorbing light and using all of its abilities.

None of the claims denying lightspeed are supported by canon

CONTINUED


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FINAL POST

CONTINUED

4) Bite of Doom- A Kryptonian powered bite from Fleabag Fido will disable Crusher Prime.

This requires the following


1) Breaking of shields]/b]- Shields that have withstood blasts from Galactus, Annihilus, the explosion of Starships and the heart of stars will be destroyed with a bite.

2) [b]Empowerment bypass
- The strength exerted by the bite won't simply be absorbed by Crusher Prime thereby granting him more power.

In closing,

To support Crusher Prime all a voter must do is accept the canon before them and the logical extension of those depictions. In stark contrast, to vote for the Rabid retriever, one must not only deny canon and ignore reason but do the following as well. Add powers and abilities that have never been shown, implied or intimated to Cosmo while also raising the power of the assault to levels rivaling that of cosmic beings.

I trust you voters to make the right decision and I thank you in advance for your consideration.


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Post 5 (final), part 1
Phase 1

The bell rings, I cover LoB in TK energy, based on my ability to create TK fields AND my ability to control TK energy with pin point precision (including disarming Drax):
http://i.imgur.com/8oZnhLw.png
http://i.imgur.com/64Egxth.png
http://i.imgur.com/eGta34t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aGuTdQW.jpg

This will be done at the speed of thought, at a Kryptonian’s speed level (and just as dogs can be faster than humans, note how Krypto can blitz Superman 1M):
http://i.imgur.com/dUgpVwH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1Y4yxsk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/K278srq.jpg
http://postimg.org/image/5c3ntkwur/

When turned against his will, Creel has never been able to control himself very well. Doubly so when it has been energy he has yet to encounter, although simple water is bad enough for him:
http://postimg.org/image/80sfqihef/
http://postimg.org/image/ke59xf72v/
http://postimg.org/image/63s346fyr/
http://postimg.org/image/rqlc9szmb/
http://postimg.org/image/eolevcq4z/
http://postimg.org/image/t6im3chg3/

When it is something alien (and you cannot get more alien to Marvel than DC), he gets KOed:
http://postimg.org/image/b7jcsdr2r/

Every other time he has absorbed and controlled (with the scanty proof in this thread), it was with something he was familiar with. As part of his Asgardian heritage, he would be familiar with uru, and had been slowly exposed to fragments of a CC prior to turning into one – not to mention, Sentry wtfpwned him in their first encounter, with a dubious second encounter due to Osborne’s shenanigans. Odin toyed and could have controlled him at any time, but allowed Creel to run around, to see what would happen.

Once LoB has absorbed turned into unfamiliar TK energy, notions of Nova Prime/Creel’s durability go out the window. When he becomes water, he takes on the properties of water. Same with Lego bricks etc. He becomes Cosmo’s TK energy, and Cosmo can control that.

Phase 2
If he manages to somehow avoid getting covered in TK energy, I would force the issue by going for the jugular, with TK covered teeth. He has no piercing resistance feats for his autoshields, let alone any for a Kryptonian dog bent on killing. I have seen ZERO scans of his shields withstanding piercing damage – and judges, you must ask for proof!

Krypto has hurt SBP, multiple times (at the time, doing better than any other hero on Earth):
http://i.imgur.com/5WXABg2.jpg?1

Atlas (doing better than Superman and Supergirl):
http://i.imgur.com/aWtZIuT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TEgjSMJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UM29WOu.jpg

And nearly killing Mongul in one bite:
http://i.imgur.com/5QAMrY7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2zDpt9y.jpg

Once more, even if he survives his throat ripped out, he would have made contact with my TK energy through my teeth, and would turn into TK. For added oomph, I can add massive TP at him as well.

Cosmo can easily enter a weakened Nova Prime’s mind (note, although he was weakened, Richard never attempted to even give the verbal command to raise shields. Worldmind also had no idea what to do or what Cosmo was):
http://postimg.org/image/l7e98a2c3/
http://postimg.org/image/uci0oegcz/
http://postimg.org/image/3tzdfohn7/
http://postimg.org/image/kt8buxsur/

Cosmo can attack multiple targets (so multiple actions are possible):
http://i.imgur.com/2fJfXm5.png
http://i.imgur.com/ELFLyRW.png
http://i.imgur.com/XdWiFMr.png

But those are nobodies. He can TP Drax and Quasar:
http://i.imgur.com/ZP7Bx5x.jpg

Adam Warlock:
http://i.imgur.com/lK6t6b1.jpg

Gladiator, Ikon, Ronan, Beta Ray Bill, and another Quasar (sufficiently to hurt):
http://i.imgur.com/vysiE24.png
http://i.imgur.com/282KhO0.jpg

Whereas Nova Prime has zero resistance feats of TP up close. When Nova fought Harrow, there was sufficient distance between them to dampen Harrow. When they next met, Nova was simultaneously too slow to react, and too weak to stop him:
http://postimg.org/image/fdsu7yvip/
http://postimg.org/image/w0aeh1ogh/

I have a Kryptonian dog’s level of speed here. He is unable to amp himself, as it is part of the rules – and I have stopped him from absorbing anything else.

Phase 3
IF he somehow manages to survive all this, I can trap him in my collar (NOT BFR), in the tesseract crystal:
http://i.imgur.com/qwhkPq1.png
http://i.imgur.com/guaPDfv.png
http://postimg.org/image/54g0x2lw3/
http://postimg.org/image/nvhy78ggj/

Conclusion
This fight was over from my opening post. LoB cannot cope with my speed, or my attacks. He has never shown lightspeed reactions from Nova or Creel – only that Nova is able to be fed information at high speeds. Richard Rider is still in control, and he has human level reactions – especially when its anything more complicated than ‘fly and shoot’. His trump card, Creel, is cut off from absorbing anything but that which I control. He can TRY to absorb from a distance, but being surrounded by TK energy would override his senses and control (as seen with She-Hulk and water). That is, if he can react in time to my attacks.

Then, he would have his throat ripped out whilst his fragile TP defences are crushed.

Then, he would be turned into a collar ornament.

PS: Wait, this is part 1 - where is part 2?

Unlike LoB, I am not cheating by having six different posts. There is no part 2.


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Bentley's Vote

First of all, thanks for giving me the opportunity to judge the battlezone, I found it very entertaining and lively. Good job to both of you thumb up

Let's keep this short and sweet.

Amalgams.

I salute DS for using a thematic one, although one should notice Krypto is stupidly strong for low herald and TP is one of those problems that tend to appear, oddly enough, DS didn't really use either that much. LoB in the other hand has overall flexibility going on for him instead of sheer power both of his picks while a bit more boring are solid.

In this particular level I'm giving LoB the edge, because he utilizes more fully the potential of his characters. DS is more running a fast Cosmo hybrid for most proposes

LoB 1 - DS 0


Strategy

Both strategies sound solid enough in paper. DS avoided direct contact not to provide Absorbing Man with any potential boost and LoB's defense was better against ranged attacks from the get to go. It's in the offense that things get tricky.

LoB's best bet to nullify Krypto's powers were energy absorbtion, but he only provided those scans at the very end, and those included a rather long sequence of Richard emptying his own power reserves to become "empty" (and this is a newby Nova with a smaller reserve of the Nova Force). It's a good feat, but considering there is going to be a highspeed TK rampage going on, I don't see it coming into play immediately if at all. I wish this was more developped by LoB.

By starting subtle with his TK attack, DS does give a better time window to LoB, who has enough reflexes to somehow react to an unwanted shift on his composition (something Creel alone sorely lacks). Also, when Creel becomes TK energy, how fast will he be moving? We know mental attacks can cover idiotic distances under certain situations, but since this wasn't in play on the match, I'll digress and ignore it for most part.

The second and third plan of DS, did not go answered by LoB, so we are left to wonder about their potential relevance. I see the TK bite as a decent strategy because even if LoB were to become TK energy he could become scattered by Kryptonian level force, he wouldn't necessarily be something as strong as Uru, for example. The Nova Force would make it difficult, but there is a speed gap to mind here (even the scans LoB brought talk about .6 lightspeed, which is less than lightspeed by definition, and that in a travel situation).

So well, all things considered within the bulk of information we got, I'm still giving the strategy edge to DS, in a very close decision.

1 LoB - 1 DS


Debate


While some posts were a bit repetitive and both debaters camped in some position, there was enough of a variation of arguments, including some relevant ones, that made them even enough to warrant a comment. First of all, good for LoB to call on a TK user automatically controlling external TK energy, Odin's powers are energy manipulation, while TK by definition (and going by Cosmo's showings) are more of a energy manifestation (finer than Cyclops's blasts for example, but they could be compared). DS did present more scans as evidence and even went to muddle LoB's claims by pointing out some of his critical feats were set up by the plot on their respective comics. DS did shoot more arguments that fizzled, but he was at least wise enough not to pursue them further, when there were easier routes to establish his advantage.

In the end, I think that LoB's amalgam had a very distinct advantage here, but DS was better at attacking it's strong points and better at clarifying why his strategy could work more often than not. LoB was effective shooting down claims himself, but I felt he just grazed the critical points of DS's plan.

So yeah, it remains pretty close, I considered the idea of voting for a tie... but since this is a friendly match I'll save that for another date. Instead I'll vote for



A tie still.

LoB 2 - DS 2



I pray not to need for a tie breaker after this


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Delta1938 wrote on Aug 25th, 2015 02:18 AM:
First, on their opening posts.

LoB: His argument that the "The Worldmind allows Nova to not only instantly assess the strengths and weakness of an opponent it also provides precise information on how to attack given this knowledge" wasn't supported by the scan he presented. It simply showed Nova being informed of where targets from all around were coming from. Which would only be useful in a one-on-one battle if you lose visual track of your opponent.

His scans for Nova having lightspeed proved flight, not so much relevant combat speed.

DS: He kept his "phase one" strategy simple and proved the TK field and speed.

The debate in general had LoB make a claim, and at times posted a scan to support it. But most times he posted a scan, DS proved the example was out of context. In fact, in regards to telepathic defense, DS actually provided the scan and debunked it before LoB even posted it(oddly enough after it was already shown out of context.

DS not only proved that the Odin and Cosmic Cube examples were out of context, but provided more total examples of Absorbing Man having trouble with control than LoB's total examples provided. Even if the Sentry example was legit, I can hardly call doing better the second time as "pinpoint precision."

I honestly didn't see anything from LoB to convince me that he would survive Phase 1. As for the rest of the debate.....

When DS brought up the rules on amping, it actually backfired on him with me. Quoting the rule showed me nothing that breaks it from LoB's argument. But at the same time, LoB failed to prove that Absorbing Man can absorb ambient light. He showed Crusher taking on the properties after being blasted with a LASER from Dazzler. Even if he had provided evidence Crusher can absorb ambient light(or instead argued that Crusher Prime would blast himself with a LASER to take light properties) he didn't provide anything to show Absorbing Man could move around like Monica Rambeau.

LoB also argued auto-shields but never showed any at all(let alone their potency), and started throwing around "psionic immunity" apparently in an attempt to convince immunity to both telepathy and telekinesis, it seemed. Neither of which he supported.

All in all, like I said, I didn't see anything LoB gave to convince surviving Phase 1, and he was more focused on everything there and didn't provide much to argue against the others. In fact, I don't recall a single argument to try and counter being trapped in the collar.

Both were funny. I'd have to say LoB was funnier. And, he never, EVER broke character. For that, I give him 119 billion, trillion, septillion points, and soundly beats DS in that area.

But, as I'm using WHOSE LINE IS IT ANYWAY? as my life guide on giving points, much like the plot in a porno, they don't matter. Therefore, I give it to Darksaint.


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welllll....this is an interesting turn of events...


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So Darksaint wins against that puppy?

laughing out loud

Congrats DS.


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LOB return your badge on your way out big grin


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