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Originally posted by carver9
No range attacks or Mjlonir. No flying. This is a punch and kick fight. Straight up physical. The goal of this is for Thor to pull at least 2 wins against Superman. He doesn't have to pull a majority, just two wins is sufficient enough for this thread. Can he pull this off (made this so that we will not derail threads).

This is Superman before the reboot.

Do you think he could achieve this against New Superman as well?

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Originally posted by Mindset
Thor breaks Superman physically and emotionally.

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Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Since Kryptonians are far above Asgardians physically, this isn't even a fight, its a slaughter.

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Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Thor & Supes are way above their race. It's a non point.

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Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Lets be real bro, who processes energy better and translates it to raw power..in this fight?

IMO, Supes by far.

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Originally posted by Henry_Pym
That said Thor's godly energy (God Blast) is way above Superman's solar energy (Super Nova)

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Originally posted by Henry_Pym
seems like another slanted question when one is a battery...

That said Thor's godly energy (God Blast) is way above Superman's solar energy (Super Nova)

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Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Since Kryptonians are far above Asgardians physically, this isn't even a fight, its a slaughter.

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Originally posted by One-Punch
I remember Lobo giving Superman a beating.

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If the Taurus incident counts for Thor, I don't see why Konvikt wouldn't count. The only difference is Thor was 2-shot KO'd and Superman was 1-shot KO'd.

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He was at least stunned, but only for moments.

But probably not out cold.

kdb

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Originally posted by One-Punch
I don't recall the Eradicator influencing Superman during his fight with Lobo. If anything, the Eradicator would've helped, since it made Superman cold and ruthless, and willing to kill (e.g., when he fought Draaga he was about to decapitate him with a big rock). I do remember Superman trying to brawl with Lobo and losing pretty badly, and even stating he couldn't outbrawl him.

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The Banshee thing happens in Action Comics #662

Banshee chokes Superman out with her bare hands, but it was a surprise attack.



Then later, she grabs him, pushes him out of the Daily Planet, and slams him into the ground. Although this looks like the fall is what knocks him out, so it's iffy if it's physical.

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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
It's not about just durability. Your logic is all out of wack. Seriously man you gotta work on that. Take Konvikt laying out Supes for example. Initially he took him by surprise.

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What idiot would agree to that? Straw man much? J'onn performed better than Supes in their interaction with Cheetah sure. Deal with it.

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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wait.. You really don't think he's regularly portrayed as far above high herald do you?

Meaningless? Says who you? The pictures speak for themselves so I would wholeheartedly disagree. Many have seen these scenes many a time, but here they are again. Even though it was for a brief period of time, he was clearly laid out.

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Not sure why you're delving deep into the rules btw..

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Originally posted by One-Punch
You realize you're attacking a straw-man right? I didn't say Eradicator influencing Superman was fan mail speculation. I said Eradicator negatively influencing Superman's fighting ability was fan-mail speculation, and it is because the fan writing in fully admits it's just an assumption, and the editor never confirm it like you claimed.


Those scans you posted occurred after Superman got beaten up by Lobo, twice. Only after did the Eradicator start overtly influencing Superman to fight more logically.

Let's take a look at the whole sequence chronologically.

Here Superman tries to fight Lobo physically, and proceeds to get beaten up pretty badly, Superman himself says Lobo is too strong and quick. Notice Superman's personality is still normal, and note the last scan: the Eradicator only started to overtly influence Superman to be more logical after Superman asked for help.


Afterwards, Superman starts to fight a bit smarter. He tricks Lobo into bashing his head into a hologram, and then tries to physically fight Lobo right after. Superman still gets beaten up. At the end, he flees in order to get into the war suit to distract Lobo away from finding the kryponite in his fortress.


It's only after Superman failed to beat Lobo physically, did he opt for a smarter and logical strategy via using the Kryponian war suit under the Eradicator's influence (which you posted the scans for).

You tried to initially claim Superman avoided a physical fight and opted to fight more logically. The scans above show otherwise--Superman only opted for the logical option AFTER he failed to beat Lobo physically, twice.

Meaningless when mindcontrol inhibits Superman's powers. And its non canon since early 2000s.

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And in that Superman kicked Lobo's ass thoroughly to the point he looked like a joke. Including bitchslapping him and casually breaking his hold while he had Superman in a headlock.

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Now that's how heralds look to Superman.

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Let's apply some common sense.

The letter pages you posted were from the late 80s up to very early 90s. That was almost 25 years ago. Social media (e.g., Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr, etc.) didn't exist back then, and neither did major comic book news websites like CBR or Newsarama.

What the ****? The letters pages are totally admissible as per site rules. You don't get to interpret them. Go to a mod if you don't like it.

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Obviously the editor answering physical fan-mail back then is the equivalent of today's editors/writers answering fan question electronically e.g., social media, websites, and etc. Why wouldn't the forum rules retroactively apply to editors answering physical fan mail in the 80s and early 90s?

No, it isn't. Why? Ask the mods.

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Regardless though, your claim of the editor confirming the Eradicator was negatively influencing Superman's fighting ability wasn't true. The editor confirmed no such thing in the fan-mail scan you posted.

It didn't?

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I never said Superman was blood-lusted, another straw-man attack.

The Eradicator was suppressing Superman's emotions, and was inhibiting his morality in exchange for ruthless logic. Superman's morals is what makes him hold back normally in fights, but with the Eradicator's influence, those morals were being dulled. This means in a fight, when logic dictates, Superman is much more willing to use deadly force whereas before he would hold back.

Superman can't use his full power while being mindcontrolled. Its written in his character since day one.

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Case in point, when Superman killed Zod and his team he was psychologically scarred and extremely traumatized from the experience. When the Eradicator influenced him, Superman didn't think twice about killing Draaga--his own parents (the Kents) were shocked and drew the comparison.

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Its once again retconned in AOS 642 that Superman was incapable of killing anybody since he killed Zod.

So, by the power of retcons I make your "arguments" invalid!!!

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Now please explain to me, how is a morally uninhibited Superman who fights with his brains, suppose to be a detriment in battle? He was by no means a pacifist, quite the opposite actually.

Since he can't actually access his full power?

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When Superman gets beaten up by Lobo, it's the Eradicator's fault!

When Superman beats up Maxima while being influenced by the Eradicator, the Eradicator had nuthin' to do with it!

Correct. Superman is more powerful than Maxima even at less than full power. Not in case for Lobo though.

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Double-standard much? Not to mention a clear attribution bias in favour of Superman.




So how exactly does Lobo being mad at Superman for bashing his head with Lar's prove he was knocked out? Please walk me through your impeccable logic.

How does it not? Why would Lobo stop fighting if he wasn't koed?

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Lobo could've been stunned, perfectly fine, or badly hurt and still hold a grudge. Point is, we don't know because there is no art, narration, or character statement that indicate they were unconscious. So again, why assume so?

Because unless Lobo is koed he doesn't stops fighting.

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BTW, you're clearly displaying yet another double-standard in favour of Superman here:

Konvikt clearly knocks Superman unconscious, we see Superman laying on the ground eyes closed and limp,

Where he gets up immediately and the writer confirms he wasn't koed.

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yet you deny he's knocked out. On the other hand, you're willing to claim Lobo and Lar Gand were knocked out, even though there's zero art or narration suggesting so. Your double-standard in favour of Superman is pretty explicit here.

Nope. Not unless you're simply hating for the sake of hating.

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So you're saying we should dismiss fights that don't end in knock outs?

So that means we should dismiss Odin beating Thanos because it never concluded right? We should dismiss Zeus physically beating Hulk because he wasn't KO'd right? We should dismiss E-Vell beating up Nova and Surfer because they weren't knocked out right?

Eh, what?

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Obviously fights that don't "conclude" still contain useful information for forum fights. The fact is Lar Gand had Superman on the ropes in their fight, and was about to kill him, had Lobo not interrupted.

He wasn't about to "kill him". It was a momentary advantage at best.

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Superman is clearly knocked out and limp bodied in the scan before she says his name. And just because Banshee casually mentions his name mid-conversation, doesn't mean she's actively using her Banshee wail.

For example, here she says "Superman" mid conversation, and nothing happens.
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You know why? Because she wasn't actively using her wail--which she does in the next page.
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Looks like my point went over your head. I'll be more blunt: Superman was physically useless against Metallo and had to resort to cutting off his power to beat him. Why wouldn't be relevant in a physical fight thread?

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Yellowjacket stunned Thor with just one kick and put him out of the fight. At normal size.

Thor sucks, right?

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Originally posted by abhilegend
That's the whole "fight" with Thor. He was stunned and unable to get in the fight as Cap and Iron Man chased Hank.

I even showed the very next page along with the explicit dialog informing that Thor is stunned.

Don't like it? Don't start with lowballing.

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Originally posted by celeyhyga17

Why don't u post the whole PISy encounter so everyone can see how ridiculous you are. You call that putting him out of the fight? Lol that wasn't even a fight. Even at lowballing you're horrible.

This thread has reached 18 pgs and you still don't get it.