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^^^Then why does he ask for it? Not a joke question.


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^^^Then why does he ask for it? Not a joke question.


He doesn't. He's giving us the chance to get closer to him and understand him through prayer and all that stuff. He doesn't need our affection or attention.


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God is the opposite of the kardashians. He doesn't need your attention.


Kardashians don't need our attention either, but they still want it. So that's not the opposite of God, who also doesn't need attention but quite obviously craves it as well.


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Kardashians don't need our attention either, but they still want it. So that's not the opposite of God, who also doesn't need attention but quite obviously craves it as well.


But he doesn't crave our attention, nor want it. And the Kardashians both crave and need it.


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Only an idiot like Surtur would compare the Kardashians to God Himself. What a fool he is. Hope he likes fire. wink


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Well, what about the "no other gods before me" thing?
Thats got to mean something in this context, yes?


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Well, what about the "no other gods before me" thing?
Thats got to mean something in this context, yes?



I don't understand. Are u replying to what I said about Surtur stupidly comparing the Kardashians to an omnipotent and omniscient being? Yeah, your quote above is correct in that it's a commandment of God but don't see what that has to do with the spoiled Kardashians.


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What does God get out of being worshipped?
This is what I believe:
Worship is for people.
God is complete and without want or need.
God is the cup that overflows. How can you add to that?


Obviously people need worship, but actually the reason to worship God in particular should be clear for you of all people wink

Through worship of God, we learn to love all things he created, for loving God means that you see him on everyone and everything. But we don't make those people and those things our rulers, we don't become dependant to them, because we know they need God to fully be something.


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He doesn't. He's giving us the chance to get closer to him and understand him through prayer and all that stuff. He doesn't need our affection or attention.
dunno. when i read the OT he seems to really care about people's attention and devotion


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i don't even get the idea that he shouldn't care about what humans think of him... sounds like something some self loathing humans made up to me

i mean aren't we supposed to be like god's children? what kind of parent doesn't crave a bond with his or her children?


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I don't understand. Are u replying to what I said about Surtur stupidly comparing the Kardashians to an omnipotent and omniscient being? Yeah, your quote above is correct in that it's a commandment of God but don't see what that has to do with the spoiled Kardashians.

Nooo, definitely not replying to that. More to what smith was saying.


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Obviously people need worship, but actually the reason to worship God in particular should be clear for you of all people wink

Why me of all people, and why the wink afterwards? If there's a joke there, i dont get get it.


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Why me of all people, and why the wink afterwards? If there's a joke there, i dont get get it.


That was a wink to Shaky who I was quoting. Sorry for the unwanted confusion confused


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Nah, i get it [i]now]/i].
I wasnt quite awake enough earlier, MY bad! thumb up


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Judaism and Christianity claim that the biblical God is perfect. Therefore he cannot "gain" anything from any source, especially from the flawed, "sinful" creatures from whom he so illogically demands worship. But he does demand it, at the cost of the destruction of willful non-worshipers.

YHVH was perceived as a Middle Eastern monarch-tyrant, who demanded worship, obedience, and sacrifice. He was based on the Middle Eastern model of the king - a terrible model, because just like human kings, YHVH's mercy is only occasional, and his "justice" savage, grotesque, and inconsistently applied.

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Judaism and Christianity claim that the biblical God is perfect. Therefore he cannot "gain" anything from any source, especially from the flawed, "sinful" creatures from whom he so illogically demands worship. But he does demand it, at the cost of the destruction of willful non-worshipers.

No he doesn't.

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YHVH's mercy is only occasional, and his "justice" savage, grotesque, and inconsistently applied.

Just because you think his mercy was only occasional and his justice was savage doesn't make it so. But keep applying your human principles to a God.


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THE god. wink


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Obviously people need worship, but actually the reason to worship God in particular should be clear for you of all people wink

Through worship of God, we learn to love all things he created, for loving God means that you see him on everyone and everything. But we don't make those people and those things our rulers, we don't become dependant to them, because we know they need God to fully be something.


I don't worship. I believe in God in the same way I believe in gravity. Rather I have a good life of not is fully dependent on me.


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I don't worship. I believe in God in the same way I believe in gravity. Rather I have a good life of not is fully dependent on me.


Oh yes, you're most definitely the master of your fate.


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Everybody won't be treated all the same.
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Oh yes, you're most definitely the master of your fate.


I except responsibility for all things in my life. I believe that I chose it all "long" before I was born. Every person is the master of their fate.


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