your comparing a feat from the beegging of a show to a feat thats eos
the ich feat is impressive... its also performed in the beginning of the series. unless your trying to tell me ichi hasnt gotten faster and stronger since the ss arc he should still have the edge
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Lol that's because Gin himself is slower than his Bankai. None of the Bleach characters at the time were even close to Gin's Bankai speed, including Aizen.
The best they could do is predict where it would extend before he used it. And it's still far slower than Kirin is. To be fair, Itachi hardly fared better than Ichigo.
Of course Ichigo is faster now than when he fought Byakuya. His Dangai form and new Shinigami forms are obviously superior to even his Vizard form(which also had a hard time with Gin's Bankai. No one would deny this fact.
The question is by how much faster are these new forms are compared to Bankai Ichigo? Is his new form 4 times faster? His Dangai 50 times faster? Either one 100 times faster? We don't know. We can't know. It is almost impossible to guess. Dangai Ichigo hopped several miles in one step...but so what? Bankai Ichigo could do that, along with characters like Shunsui and Stark. He was curbing Aizen pretty easily but what does Aizen have going for him? He didn't overwhelm Yoruichi's speed with his own but just used his overwhelming power. He couldn't even catch Ichigo's friends lol. The Ichigo that fought Ginjo could leap miles in SS but again that means nothing without a firm distance. Current Ichigo is still running across a city block with no indication that he's gotten to his location yet.
And you're ignoring that most of Naruto's best showings in terms of distance(climbing the Shenju while Obito/Kakashi talked, crossing hundreds of miles while the Sage talked/before he disappeared) all happened in his base form. He also gets massively faster with stuff like Sage Mode, KCM, Full Kyuubi Mode, and his SotSP mode.
Also you missed the point of the Gin feat. If Gin's Zanpakuto is the fastest(Ichigo struggles with it and doesn't think he's lying) then we can conclude that Byakuya's Bankai is well below it. Even if Ichigo swatted all of the petals out of the sky individually(he didn't) then it is still below Gin's Bankai. The feat is simply not the best Ichigo has.
Bankai/Vizard Ichigo was slower than Gin because Gin was toying with him. Aizen was of course obviously faster but by how much? We don't know lol. Ichigo is now clearly faster than Gin(how much faster? Beats me) but last I checked he was still running through one of these streets.
Naruto goes from one side of the Shinju to the other(we know it is the other side because that is where Madara was knocked to). Not the best showing obviously but Naruto does it pretty effortlessly. Even gets there before Sasuke.
Naruto characters do not have major showings done in a single step(not counting the ST techs) but that means nothing really. I promise you that Ichigo can get farther than Goku can in a single step. Doesn't mean Goku is slower lol. Naruto has covered more territory in less time than the Bleach cast by just running it.
Naruto characters are as fast as Kishi needs them to be in the scene. Just like their chakra reservoirs are as large as Kishi needs them to be.
That's why you have instances where 5 seconds is too short a duration for people like Sage Mode Naruto, who has also reacted to and dodged stuff in far less than 5 seconds.
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True but that applies to most manga. While you'll find more consistency with it than comics, the characters still vary in terms of stats a lot of the time.
The fact that the Soul Palace is treated as any sort of significant distance is strange to me lol.
Lol, especially considering that in that scene Pain reacts and dodges the last Rasenshuriken in an amount of time that can't even be measured in milliseconds.
You also have no answer to Naruto climbing the Shinju so quickly nor Naruto arriving at the VotE in such a short amount of time.
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That thing is larger than several mountains combined. More than 70% of it is well above the highest clouds. Oh and do you see the VotE there? No? Guess that means Naruto had to traverse all that land in a short amount of time. We're talking a couple mountain ranges and at least one forest.
Doesn't really excuse the ridiculous inconsistency. But what makes it bad is that it was one of the few times that an actual time-frame was given. Maybe Kishimoto didn't realize how long 5 seconds could be to his superhuman characters.
Haha, yeah. Las Noches was also treated as pretty f***ing big, even though it was what, town sized?
Also, what instances are you talking about when you say that Naruto reacted to lightning?
Neither, based on the information you've given.
Do you know what speed entails? 'Steps' don't matter at all, distance covered and time elapsed do.
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Whoever gets there first is the fastest. Simple as that lol. Bleach would curb Judal in a foot race of any kind but that means nothing to the guy who can teleport across countries with ease lol.
Ichigo has never used flash steps to run a great distance. He uses them for one quick step to better his position or to make a point.
Yeah that's one of those things you just gotta handwave away.
The whole Las Noches thing just confuses me. It's a desert like world inside a building with a fake sky as the ceiling...in another desert like world. I just don't get it.
I was using Madara's Palpatine attack and Indra's Arrow. The former based on Kaguya's lightning looking the same as actual lightning and the latter based on it's resemblance to Kirin/the resulting lighting strikes after it hit Naruto's attacks.
Also this has nothing to do with anything but go read Magi you magnificent bastard.
Based on what you've seen, who is faster in a foot race: Goku or Ichigo? Goku has never done anything like a Flash Step before. Ever.
ok fine show me naruto travel miles in a couple seconds.... maybe i should have said that instead of steps cuz apparently ppl on here dont have the capacity to understand a concept guess i gave to much credit
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Sep 8th, 2015 03:26 PM
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