I thought it was four quadrants. As in a Kaioshin supervised a quadrant of the universe—denominated East, North, West and South quadrant. While a Kai supervised a galaxy—like the North Kai supervised the North galaxy.
It's not specified in the manga, but a Grand Kai is mentioned to be beneath a Kaioshin but above a regular Kai.
There are at least 2 references in the Daizenshuu, and a reference in both 'DBZ Son Goku Densetsu' and the 'SEG: Character Volume', which state that there are 4 galaxies in the DB universe: north, south, east, and west--and each is governed by a corresponding Kaio/Kaioshin.
You can cherry-pick that one line which makes it sound like there are 'infinite' galaxies or w/e, but there is FAR more evidence on my side, I'm afraid(look it up.)
I'm glad you brought up Herms, because he is definitely of the opinion that there are only 4 galaxies in DB:
Etc.Etc.
...And nobody knows more about Guidebook translations then that guy.
I already mentioned that Toriyama might end up retconning the 4 galaxies fact in DBS. However, an ambiguous artistic depiction certainly doesn't constitute a retcon.
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The Guidebooks all use the term 'Areas' when referring to the portions of the universe. The term 'Quadrants' is a dub-line, but essentially refers to the same thing.
Also remember that unlike the Kaio and Dai Kaio, who mostly oversee the physical realm, Kaioshin oversee ALL realms in DB. Kaioshin are also responsible for creating worlds throughout the universe and seeding them with life... There is a LOT more to that job/title than most think.
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But I very well agree that there are 4 galaxies in the DB Universe, even the Daizenshu I previously quoted confirms that, however the focal point is that the word "galaxy" means "area/zone", lately dubbed "quadrant" even on the very same Kanzenshuu site (by VegettoEX):
エリア Area
Means each region of the universe, which is divided into East, West, South, North. It is expressed as the "East Area" and the "West Area." The areas divided into East, West, South, North are governed by respective Kaiou.
A note below that shows the layout of the cosmos and the universe. The Kaiōshin oversee both the upper half, or the heavenly realm, and the bottom half, the world of the living. The diagram of the universe shows how it is divided into four quadrants called “galaxies” and how Earth is in the north one.
To me all of this says that these are 4 clusters (or areas) which make up the whole universe and which are called "galaxies" in name, however they are not generic galaxies in size, like the Milky Way for example, but they are a composition of other galaxies (in the actual sense of the therm itself this time) inside.
I'm thus perfectly fine with what Herms says: the 7th universe is divided in four "galaxies/areas", which are governed by the respective Kaios; the problem regards what the word "galaxy" actually means, and there's proof in favour of it implying that the DBU #7 is not that small and not made up of only 4 normal-sized-galaxies (which is, indeed, what the Daizenshu ultimately states).
At the end of the day, even Herms (who surely is the #1 source as you said) acknowledges it and opens the doors to this kind of thought:
In the manga it's vague, and that particular Daizenshuu 7 quote seems to say otherwise, but elsewhere in Daizenshuu 7 and various other guidebooks it frequently refers to there being 4 galaxies (North, South, East, and West). To go slightly more in-depth, in the manga towards the end of the Freeza arc, our familiar old Kaio suddenly calls himself the "Kaio of the North Galaxy/Galaxies". With Japanese having no true plural, and there not being any further context, it's unclear whether there's one or more galaxies in "the north". Then in the Boo arc the South Kaio shows up, and we hear about the North and South Areas. Again, we don't really know for sure if the North/South contain one or many areas, and there's no explanation on how this relates to galaxies. As mentioned, the guidebooks frequently refer to there being four galaxies, the idea apparently being that "galaxy" and "area" are synonymous. The Daizenshuu 7 glossary is an exception, and seems to say there are four areas (North, South, East, West) containing many galaxies.
Well, because of the previous reasons I personally don't think that AT has to retcon anything: indeed, AFAK it was never officially stated by him that the DB Universe effectively is very small, containing just 4 normal-sized-galaxies: in such a case, that screenshot from DBS would for example make zero sense.
However sure thing is that the whole situation is ambiguous and vague, and open to different interpretations, but as you said DBS will probably almost surely clarify this up.
Interestingly, it seems to have something to do with how the universe carries shockwaves and such, rather than raw at-point power. Like, it's not an explosion that destroys things, but multiple blows will create shockwaves that destroy things.
So, it's universe destroying but reliant on the resonance of their universe.
Pssh, there's multiple characters stronger than him. Pre-crisis may have no limits, but post does.
To me? I'd say yes.
I liked a lot the first episodes, then it had an abysmal low-quality period (I'm still shocked for Episode 5 ) but now It's going quite good.
I would pick the manga over the anime anytime, however the former lacks some context since it must be much more stringent.
Another thing you have to remember though is that DBS is "new Dragon Ball material", i.e. something where things happen randomly and sometime contradict themselves: if your love for DB is strong enough to overcome this (mine is, but barely... ) then the show is worth the time.
The Kai's watch over the infinite Quandrants. The Grand Kai watch over the overseers of these Quandrants and the Supreme Kai watches over everything along with creating.
Each Kaio watches over their respective galaxy/area of the universe. The Dai Kaio(Grand Kai) supervises the Kaio.
The Kaioshin not only supervise the Dai Kaio and Kaio, but they also monitor the universe as a whole. Additionally, they monitor all of the metaphysical realms within the DBU, like Heaven, Hell, Limbo, the Demon realm, etc. etc. It is also the job of Kaioshin to create planets throughout the universe and seed them with life--a task that would be absolutely time-consuming in itself.
It's no wonder Kaioshin was out of touch with the happenings of the mortal realm during the Boo saga--he had to do all of that by himself.
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Back in the day, the South Kaioshin, for example, would have more closely monitored the happenings of that particular galaxy/area(he might see things the Kaio did not), and would have also been responsible for the 'upkeep'(ie. the creation of worlds/lifeforms) within that portion of the universe... That's what the function of each Kaioshin would have been.
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Sep 30th, 2015 11:35 AM
) but now It's going quite good.
) then the show is worth the time. 
