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TheVaultDweller
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Unless you use their weakness, which seems to be getting pistol whipped in the back of the head. laughing

Still though, you have to admit, if you look at Castiel's debut and early showings, he looked a lot more impressive there than current restored Seraph Castiel does 99% of the time. The only justification I can think of for this is that all angels affected by the Fall's power levels decreased permanently. We already know that they lost their ability to just swoop around on a whim, and need to drive/walk like normal people to get from place to place. But that wouldn't explain why Abaddon (one of the strongest demons in history) was still scared to face a weakened Gadreel.


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So even after 11 years the show can still surprise you. This latest episode was quite good to me..and done from the point of view of the Impala.


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The Castiel/Dean phone call bit was brilliant. laughing

With regards to Sam's vision:

[SPOILER - highlight to read]: So some being seems to be communicating with Sam, but I don't personally think it is God. The fact that they said "I could never fool you" suggests a relationship that goes back awhile. And the whole torture, chains and torment thing suggests memories from the cage. Maybe Lucifer? He spent ages trying to corrupt Sam into being his vessel, and even later remained stuck in his head, tormenting and screwing with him. Also, maybe I am reading too much into the "only you two can stop it", but we also know that the brothers are the true vessels of Michael and Lucifer, two of the beings who initially fought and helped defeat the Darkness. Only problem is that Lucifer is supposed to be stuck in the cage, so I have no idea how he would be getting into Sam's head.


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I was just thinking it would be hilarious if once the series ends..you have both Sam and Dean alive and they have stopped some big great evil and are ready to retire as hunters. Then..they are arrested for multiple cases of credit card fraud, impersonating police officers, impersonating fbi agents, etc. and thrown in prison for the rest of their lives.

Their biggest foe of all..Uncle Sam.

But yeah, Sam's vision actually being Lucifer would make the most sense, the "I could never fool you" line doesn't make sense coming from anyone else.


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plot twist: it's YED.


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I was just thinking it would be hilarious if once the series ends..you have both Sam and Dean alive and they have stopped some big great evil and are ready to retire as hunters. Then..they are arrested for multiple cases of credit card fraud, impersonating police officers, impersonating fbi agents, etc. and thrown in prison for the rest of their lives.

Their biggest foe of all..Uncle Sam.

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And then Dean quotes Bill Murray from Ghostbusters. "We go to prison, it will be quite , we will enjoy it" line.


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Another thing to consider is that the episode where the Impala's story started being told was "Swansong", the season 5 finale where Lucifer & Michael got locked in the cage and Chuck did his disappearing act thing at the end.

Then in the story we have Sam's torture visions and the weird conversation with an entity who seems very familiar with him, and Castiel's whole "fortune nookie" thing, which all feels like archangel interference to me personally. The only problem is that we don't really know whether Gabriel is truly alive or dead, and Michael and Lucifer shouldn't really be able to do anything from the cage. The demons did say they could hear the two of them going crazy from inside the cage when they felt the Darkness being released, so maybe Lucifer still has enough power to reach out and speak to his true vessel?

Or hell, maybe Metatron figured out how to harness some of the power of the demon tablet and is commencing in some epic trolling.


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It could be that the Darkness escaping maybe put a few cracks in the cage and thus Lucifer can communicate with Sam in certain ways. As for why Michael hasn't done something similar with Dean..could be Amara is preventing it. Or it could be when Death went and got Sam's soul he is the one who put the cracks in the cage and then with his death the cracks became unsealed.

This latest episode had a nice "monster of the week" feel and yet at the same time Amara isn't just some monster of the week so the episode had a nice tone. I actually liked the soul less guy and felt worse for him then I felt for anyone else in the episode to get soul sucked.

For me though the problem is that they allowed the guy to turn himself in for the murders..the problem being that sooner or later he is going to flip out and kill an inmate or a guard. It is more likely an inmate will die then a guard..and while true the person would be a criminal they might not necessarily be a murderer that deserves to die.

It sucks, but it would of been safer for everyone if they did indeed kill the guy. Or they locked him up in their "Men of Letters" lair. But just "yeah turn yourself in" seemed like Dean didn't put much thought into it. Perhaps he didn't want to put a lot of thought into it because he didn't want to kill the guy.

Actually best not to think about it because when I do..even if the guy had a lot of knowledge of the crimes due to his peeping..there would of still been a lot of evidence that would need to be lost or edited.


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Well, as mentioned in the show, Michael and Lucifer have been kicking up so much noise inside the Cage that the entire Hell is getting nervous about it. So if the common demon can hear Lucifer's screams, it'd stand to reason that if he tried hard enough, he might be able to communicate with his true vessel. And as to Michael? He, quite frankly, is an even bigger dick than Lucifer. And given how the Darkness said that she and Dean are "connected", he is probably mistrustful of communication with someone who has the touch of the Darkness on them.

Yeah, the guy turning himself in bit was stupid. Kind of like they had to tie up a loose end but wasn't sure what to do with him. What I did find very interesting was how two people react so differently to having their souls removed.

I agree. I feel like Supernatural actually is at its strongest when it does the monster of the week thing, but with elements of the main plot interlaced into the story.

I wonder when Metatron is coming back though. They've shoehorned his name into way too many conversations over the last two episodes to just leave it at that. And he does still have the demon tablet, so that needs to be addressed.


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Yeah there are a lot of potential villains running around. Amara, Crowley, Metatron. Then lets not forget the reapers have vowed to toss Sam and Dean into an empty void next time they die.

If I was a writer on this show I'd absolutely be pushing for a web series to follow Castiel's Netflix adventures. Though one potential plot hole: I thought Metatron put every story told into Castiel's head? Not a huge deal though.


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So the Darkness is God's sister.

That's a pretty interesting twist.

Also looks like Lucifer may be coming back.


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Yeah, and now I am curious as to why he had to lock her up to create the universe. And that last vision from Sam seems to pretty much confirm the suspicions that it has been Lucifer who was the one causing all of that. Now all we need are some more porn-related prophecy references to bring Gabriel into it as well.


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This has been the most entertaining season for a couple years imo.

I felt like they dropped the ball with leviathans and mark of Cain, which is disappointing because those were good concepts to work with.


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Yeah, I was disappointed by season 10, but season 11 has been one of the better seasons for a long time so far.

I had one thought about the Cage though. Wouldn't those have been Michael's hands showing actually, considering he is the one still actually inside a vessel in there, as Sam got pulled out?


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It's almost like demons on the show that aren't named Crowley have forgotten they have telekinetic powers.


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That actually just reminded me... that TK arm snap had one of the worst prosthetics I have seen in a very long time. You could clearly see it was a fake rubber hand when Crowley's arm bent. But yeah, Angels and Demons have all seemingly forgotten that they have mystical powers to draw on, and don't need to punch everything. I remember the days when the average foot soldier Demon had tk and enough strength to toss around both Winchesters at once, and Angels being nigh-unstoppable celestial avatars that made all other mystical creatures cower in fear. It's probably the only real gripe I have with the show right now. A lot of beings have gotten watered down in terms of power over the years.


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I have to say I noticed that as well with the hand thing..almost as if it was meant to be comical. Which...I suppose with this show there is that chance.

Sam and Dean used to rightfully fear demons. I know they have seen and done a lot, but Sam was trying to take them on using friggin handcuffs, alone.

I thought it would say the Darkness was God's child, but it's his sister. So then who are their parents?

It's also painfully obvious Amara wants to undo everything God created. I don't know if that means Earth or the entire universe. We know planets with other life exist in this universe just based on the comments of the more cosmic scale characters.


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If nothing else, it's a very impressive healing feat for Crowley, as he doesn't have a single mark on him the next time we see him, and Amara messed him up badly.

I also was thinking where the heck did God and his sister come from then? Unless it is a Galactus/cosmically empowered survivors from the previous universe type thing. But I guess it will all be revealed with time.

I still want to know what the point of the cuffs were as well. Was he just trying to show off or something? He was still like "Eh... two out of three" after he was forced to kill one. And I know Sam is a big strong guy, but he should not be manhandling three demons like they are fodder. Hell, just consider how hard Dean had to fight against 3 demons just to beat them and earn Cain's respect. But Sam is taking on three and is so confident he decides to capture instead of kill. So even between then and now the demons have taken a dive in power.

Yeah, and seemingly suck up all the souls of every living being while she is at it. But definitely, just based on Gabriel's conversation with Kali from season 5 IIRC, about "ditching" Earth, because of the whole Apocalypse thing, and heading off to one of the other planets to have some fun indicates that there is definitely more beyond Earth. Death's previous comments about how Earth is also only one little planet under his gaze in the grand scheme of things also strongly indicates the same.


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The show has been on long enough that various plot holes begin to creep up. Like in the first season demons did not have to smoke into and out of bodies, it was just one way to possess. Normal demons took over bodies via touch as well. Then when they encountered that first demon on the airplane it had the whole thing of getting stronger if removed from the body and turning into some larger black cloud then it was already. I guess it's like the "Vampire Diaries" where early in the series Damon could fly and conjure smoke and ravens.

That is the first season, so it might be excusable, but now we have Amara, who feeds on souls, feeding on demons. Yet during the whole thing in season 7 with Kevin and the tablet it was pointed out Crowley doesn't have a soul due to being a demon. He tried to sell his soul to the God of Greed.

Also with the cuffs maybe they had symbols carved on them to lock the demon in? Like they have on their trunk. They also have an out for why Sam can do this even though they don't use it: demon blood. Sam doesn't need to drink it to get powers from it. It's what made him immune to Croatoan. They could at least say it gave him some small level of supernatural strength left over from all the demon blood he did chug in the past. His demon blood is also how I originally thought he'd beat the Darkness infection.

I guess it could be the shows way of showing Sam is the more skilled hunter, which I guess technically he is on a purely physical level. Which okay hunting comes down to physicality, knowledge, and instinct so I guess you could say Sam overall is the better hunter.

I kind of missed the YED, he was cool. He had a way about him...and he could do crazy shit like possess reapers.


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The brothers have used 'demon" cuffs in the past so that not a big deal though I'd argue Sam being able to fight them 1v1 is a big deal.

Also I believe that demons were rectonned to battered ghosts when the whole demon cure thing was introduced.

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