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Some people shouldn't talk about things where their dislike skews perception.

That said a severely weakened sliced in half and blasted again Frieza survived a planet exploding on him with his innards exposed. A stronger than sliced in half Frieza (by a sizable degree) got disintegrated by Trunks easily.

Trunks about like 10 times more powerful couldn't even damage a Cell Jr. SS2 punched them in half easily.

Therefore we can conclude that Gohan does a crazy amount more damage in a focused area than a large planet exploding does. Gohan doesn't need to destroy a house when he can destroy beings dozens of times more powerful than Frieza with a punch. That's all he needs for feats.


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Cell Juniors got beaten by Krillin, Yamcha, and Tien. :/

Were we watching the same series? Clearly not.

And lol, that deleted thread you made about Gogeta (the user). You should've gotten at least a warning for that if not more.


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Some people shouldn't talk about things where their dislike skews perception.

That said a severely weakened sliced in half and blasted again Frieza survived a planet exploding on him with his innards exposed. A stronger than sliced in half Frieza (by a sizable degree) got disintegrated by Trunks easily.

Trunks about like 10 times more powerful couldn't even damage a Cell Jr. SS2 punched them in half easily.

Therefore we can conclude that Gohan does a crazy amount more damage in a focused area than a large planet exploding does. Gohan doesn't need to destroy a house when he can destroy beings dozens of times more powerful than Frieza with a punch. That's all he needs for feats.


Hhhhmmmm, good point. I would also like to add that Gohan two punches did far more damage than the 3 planet busters Cell endured (the one from both Vegeta and Goku, then Gohan planet buster that overtook cell planet buster).


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Someone kick Juggerman and Carver out of here.

This thread is literally the equivalent to SSJ Goten vs. Demon King Piccolo.


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Someone kick Juggerman and Carver out of here.

This thread is literally the equivalent to SSJ Goten vs. Demon King Piccolo.


laughing out loud

Yea seriously, this thread ruined my night.


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laughing out loud

Yea seriously, this thread ruined my night.


Same. I'd rather see another Goku vs Superman thread. At least he makes it past planet level. confused


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Trunks about like 10 times more powerful


Not even close

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Someone kick Juggerman and Carver out of here.

This thread is literally the equivalent to SSJ Goten vs. Demon King Piccolo.


Well that's not very nice at all sad


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Not even close



Well that's not very nice at all sad


How many times more powerful was he compared to his showing against Frieza?


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How many times more powerful was he compared to his showing against Frieza?


Not even twice.

Remember that SSJ2 is double SSJ1. Meaning had he even doubled his power he would have been in the SSJ2 teir and would have been able to curb Perfect Cell

I think it was galan who broke it down but I'm not entirely sure. Basically the increases from the time chamber were indeed huge but were much less than most people think. Let's say Trunks goes in the chamber with a PL of 150 mil right? And he comes out with a PL 151 mil. At first it doesn't seem like a huge bump but when you think about it, 1 million is about the difference between a normal human and second form Frieza. And we know that is a HUGE difference in power. So even increases of around 1 million would still be considered giant leaps in power.

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Not even twice.

Remember that SSJ2 is double SSJ1. Meaning had he even doubled his power he would have been in the SSJ2 teir and would have been able to curb Perfect Cell

I think it was galan who broke it down but I'm not entirely sure. Basically the increases from the time chamber were indeed huge but were much less than most people think. Let's say Trunks goes in the chamber with a PL of 150 mil right? And he comes out with a PL 151 mil. At first it doesn't seem like a huge bump but when you think about it, 1 million is about the difference between a normal human and second form Frieza. And we know that is a HUGE difference in power. So increases of around 1 million would still be considered giant leaps in power.

Hopefully that wasn't too wordy


Good point but I don't think doubling the power of a super Saiyan would put them at the point of being able to punch beings that are greater than Super Saiyans 1 to dust with a single hit (Gohan vs Cell Juniors) or punch Cell twice damaging him. I think 10 times is reasonable imo. Is there an official power level guide for beings during the Cell saga? I would presume Cell was in the billions or high 100 millions.


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one million is not really that much though. Wasn't 100% Frieza 120m and SSJ Goku 150m.

The advantage was not so great where it was not a fight, and that was a difference of 30m.


I feel like gauging stuff like that should be done in percent of power. (e.g. SSJ 2 Gohan was 100% stronger than Perfect Cell.)


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Good point but I don't think doubling the power of a super Saiyan would put them at the point of being able to punch beings that are greater than Super Saiyans 1 to dust with a single hit (Gohan vs Cell Juniors) or punch Cell twice damaging him. I think 10 times is reasonable imo. Is there an official power level guide for beings during the Cell saga? I would presume Cell was in the billions or high 100 millions.


I don't think there is but it has been confirmed that SSJ2 is double SSJ1. Meaning Cell is probably not in the billions.

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one million is not really that much though. Wasn't 100% Frieza 120m and SSJ Goku 150m.

The advantage was not so great where it was not a fight, and that was a difference of 30m.


I feel like gauging stuff like that should be done in percent of power. (e.g. SSJ 2 Gohan was 100% stronger than Perfect Cell.)


It's not that much in the grand scheme I agree but remember in the Frieza Saga Vegeta was stomping dudes with a difference in power of less than 5K.

Now I'm not saying all Trunks increased was 1 million, I'm saying an increase of only 1 million would still be pretty big. He could have increased 30 million for all we know. But we do know he did not double his power

SSJ2 Gohan was less than twice as strong as Perfect Cell


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Yea I hear ya. I was just getting to the point that 5k for vegeta was more like 15% power or whatever it was. where 1m to frieza is less than 1%


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Fair point. As I said Trunks could have increased 30 million or more for all we know. We really have no way of knowing for sure. But we do know he didn't double his power. Not even close


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People online thinks different. We honestly don't know but I can see more than double the amp here.

[url]http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/ Forum:The_real_MOST_ACCURATE_list_of_power_levels[
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People online thinks different. We honestly don't know but I can see more than double the amp here.


Since when is "people online" a valid source? We know from official sources that SSJ2 is double SSJ1. Therefore we also know that no one doubled the power of SSJ1 until Gohan did against Cell. It's really that simple


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