And going back to what I said above...
When asked how much more powerful you think Cell is over Frieza you said:
Which right off the bat goes into the Trunks example. Trunks was more powerful, which means that Trunks got 3 to 4 times more powerful or around there as well. IE, you defeated your entire point.
To go deeper into this and to apply some more logic you used however...
3 times more powerful is 360 million which is... lol
But anyway, you think 10 percent is much more powerful in DBZ, so we go by your lowball estimates and considering Trunks greatly surpasses Cell: http://i64.tinypic.com/2d14s8.jpg
Let's go with 396 million for Trunks.
Let's also say Trunks' transformation is surpassed by SS2 by 10 percent as well (which makes no sense, but 10 percent is the magical number), and off the top of my head that's like 39.6 million more. Which puts his base SS form at around 220 million.
So his base form doesn't go above twice but it raises drastically to 70 million within one year. Something that should be just as impossible... however, he becomes almost 3 times as powerful as when he started still following your logic.
Then we go to 4 times Frieza for Cell:
Cell = 480 million
Trunks = 528 million
SS Trunks = 278 million
Which means Trunks becomes 3.5 times stronger as a whole over his first appearance, and his normal SS is only 22 million off of becoming two times.
So, either way going by your logic, Trunks was either tripling or quadrupling his power. And you still maintain it was impossible?
Not to mention the whole golden child of this whole thing started off weaker than base Goku during this timeframe, maybe even within a year, and would have had to have tripled his own power to get to Cell's level even under a false assumption he could transform into SS from the start. IE, Gohan became 6 times more powerful within a year. Which means even he defeats the notion that it was impossible.
Also, how did you get 3 or 4 times stronger than Frieza when you only think Cell's transformations went up 10 percent more power?
I suck at math
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Ok before I start I need to say that the past few days have been hectic and I was trying to read/respond here while doing work and I think I probably skimmed a lot of your posts and responded to what I thought you were saying instead of what you were actually saying. For that I apologize.
I have no idea how I skimmed over those links. My bad. Yeah thatís very interesting.
Goku was no worse for wear after that hit. My point is still valid. Even Vegeta was able to deal blows to Recoome and make hit work for a bit. The end result was still that Vegeta really never stood a chance. Same with Frieza vs SSJ Goku
Goku was about equal to Trunks. Trunks was holding back during their brief sparring match. That year in space he spent learning IT and then training with Piccolo and Gohan wouldnít have provided much of anything to Goku.
Vegeta was In that ballpark too iirc because all that was mentioned about him in relation to Goku was that he might be stronger now. His showing against 18 was due to her being the weaker of the twins
Actually that was your point. You said:
You didnít say ďsome guy saidĒ initially which is why I asked if you had it and could post it. Then afterwards you switched it up to ďsome guy saidĒ to which I either skimmed over or outright ignored. Either way I guess we can drop this point.
Cell said Trunks was stronger than him but at that point we hadnít seen Cellís full power yet. He was purposely keeping it hidden. To me that says Cell could have been lying about Trunks being stronger than his full power.
Iím not saying he gained only that much for sure. Iím saying it could have been only that amount to put him vastly above the other according to DBZ PL logic.
I have an answer for this as well
Except you are forgetting the part when Cell says Gohan is making the same mistake Trunks did. He was under the impression that Gohan was going to be slow as molasses.
Can you explain to me how arguing that one DBZ character could harm another DBZ character is somehow considered ďarguing against DBZĒ? That really makes no sense. That would be like saying I hate Marvel cuz I think Magneto can harm Thor.
Whoa now, I didnít say there was no way. I said all we see is one way when he was several magnitudes stronger. So I felt that it would have been fair to say that him at 0.25% wouldnít have done better than him at 50%. I think thatís very reasonable. Again Not seeing how that means I dislike it but I guess some people can take anything and spin it how they wish eh?
Iím not trying to prove anything, Iím explaining why you claiming I couldnít possibly like it is a crock of shazz. But again think what you like. Iím sure none of these facts will sway your silly opinion
I donít know how to respond to this at allÖÖ.
Again I never said thatís what Cell received as a boost. I said he wouldnít need to get a boost bigger than that to thwomp people. But to answer your question here:
We know Frieza was 120M right. And Goku was 150M. And we KNOW Trunks was 150M as well when he first met Goku and they were equals. We know all this because of the canon PLís given to us in the Daizenshuu.
Now letís make Frieza 1 so itís simple to scale
100% Frieza = 1
SSJ Goku/SSJ Trunks = 1.25
Ok now letís say Goku training with Gohan produced results about 75% of Frieza. That would put them around 2 in this scenario. Now of course these are made up numbers but assuming Cell is triple Frieza then Gohan doubling up would make him well WELL above Cell as Cell would be a 3 and SSJ2 Gohan would be 4
As for Trunks, as stated earlier Cell could have been lying(or specifically talking about his ďheld backĒ level of power) or yes Trunks with his USSJ form gained a significant boost in power similar to SSJ2. I personal think it was the latter but the reason I never brought this up was I honestly didnít even think of that transformation. But yes The USSJ form would have been the exception