Is anyone really taking Drew K. and the Revan novel seriously though? The guy couldn't even be bothered to read a wookipedia summary of the game that made up half of the ****ing source material for his own novel, just to keep a semblance of continuity.
Because it's flawed, fallible, and its source gets pretty much everything about KotOR 2 incorrect (the Triumvirate being composed of post-JCW renegade Jedi, Meetra freaking out on Nathema due to the lack of the Force despite having lived without it for 10 years, etc.)
AP did an excellent deconstruction of the quote in question here.
You do realise its a resistance feat not, just the lack of the force. It's just the effects of Nathema a few hundreds years after the ritual, Ulic didn't complain about being affected on the sub atomic level, after being cut off from the force.
I mean, he's basically just dismissing the Revan novel quote because of a quote in KOTOR II...despite the Revan novel coming out afterwards (therefore it is later in both real time continuity and the SW continuity) and her stating at that point that Revan had superior command of the Force than anyone she'd met (command = overall Force power, and why wouldn't the more recent source for the same subject take precedence here?).
Also, Revan hid quite a bit of his power (in terms of how he used it, especially the dark side power) from Meetra during the Mando Wars, therefore she wouldn't be aware of the ways Revan could apply his power. However, she would still be able to sense his innate power. With Nihilus, she sees his full power on display, and to her, she would've never known before that this kind of power could actually be used in such a way. This doesn't mean that Revan didn't have this power and more (as the Revan quote insinuates), rather it just means that Meetra didn't know that that level of power could be used in such a way as Nihilus used it.
There's also the KOTOR II statement by Sion that Kreia is still waiting to train one as great or as powerful as Revan (and by that point she'd already trained the likes of Sion and Nihilus). Another thing is especially if you take the Malak>Kun quote seriously, and given that Kun appears to be at least on the level of Nihilus overall, it makes the argument for Nihilus being far beyond Revan a bit ridiculous.
Remember the state Plagueis was in when fighting the Maladians? Nihilus was in that same condition while fighting Surik and co.
@Nfactor:
As I said in my post, the source in question gets quite a lot of things in KotOR II hilariously wrong, and thus wouldn't exactly be a reliable source to definitively place one character over another, especially when that character originates from KotOR II.
Regardless, even if the reliability of the quote's source wasn't in question, her opinion would still be flawed, because she only meets Nihilus when he's mere inches from death and his Force abilities are utterly exhausted. If that was the version of Nihilus that Surik had in mind when she made the judgement, then by all means, it's perfectly correct.
The same can't be said for Nihilus at full power, though, considering how Surik could not believe that a pre-prime Nihilus' obliteration of Katarr (purely through the Force) was even possible. Obviously, since she never felt the power of Nihilus at that level of strength, she's going off the only version of the Nihilus that she did feel - the one she encountered on the Ravager. There's nothing wrong with the quote at all if she's making her judgement off the version of Nihilus she came face-to-face with, but this absolutely can't be applied to Nihilus at full power.
Not his full power, no. Far from it, in fact.
Whom she both considered failures because they represented the very thing she hated - the Force. Even so, this quote still doesn't put Revan > Nihilus because, again, she never experienced Nihilus at the absolute height of his power; only when he was substantially pre-prime and is therefore in no place to make the judgement.
If we took the Kun quote seriously, then obviously Revan'd be far more powerful than Nihilus yeah. But since I'm kind of opposed to the monumentally retarded lines of scaling which result from it, I don't hold it as definitive - especially considering that it's just one quote.
When Obi-Wan fough Maul in TCW, he did quite well in their 1v1 duels, especialy in S05E01. They were evenly matched and Maul was unable to overhelm Kenobi with his Force powers. When he fough him again, with Savage on his side, kenobi was overhelmed by his Force choke. It seems that, for Kenobi, it was much harder to fight both Maul's bros.
That might be very similar in Kreia vs Nihilus fight. Perhaps Sion's mere presence was enough, to distract Kreia, which might makes Nihilus able to break her Force guard. There must be a reason, that he attacked her along with Sion.
And besides that fight, Nihilus has never fought someone above Meetra's level (and Meetra was fodderized by Nyriss, who was fodderized by Revan).
Perhaps Yoda was the only jedi in canon, that could block Sidious FL with his bare hands. If he was, and if he would never met Sidious in battle, Sidious FL could be consideres as unblockable. Just like Nihilus' GD is now.
How on Earth is Malak going to compete with Nihilus' monstrous power?
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Sep 11th, 2017 05:22 PM
