cs_zoltan
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Pre-prime Vader can house Starkiller. Caedus is getting destroyed.
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Nov 15th, 2015 06:36 PM
Beniboybling
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Like he destroyed ROTJ Luke?
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Nov 15th, 2015 06:43 PM
Jaggarath
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Caedus is getting destroyed.
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Nov 15th, 2015 06:46 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Beniboybling
Like he destroyed ROTJ Luke?
As laughable as Vader destroying Caedus is, this retort is equally retarded.
Nov 15th, 2015 07:02 PM
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Inb4 an actual argument.
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Nov 15th, 2015 07:06 PM
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So you admit you didn't actually give one?
Nov 15th, 2015 07:21 PM
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Caedus is the greater duelist, but there isn't really a gap between them in force power when its Composite Vader at all. Vader has comparable showings of barrier, greater showings of telekinesis, and superior durability.
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Nov 15th, 2015 07:25 PM
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Carth, I admit I haven't been keeping up that much on Canon Vader. What barrier feats does he have now on par with blocking turbos?
Also, Caedus' pain tolerance / durability is pretty ****ing insane too. Fighting without an arm or surviving the Embrace of Pain is Vader level IMO.
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Nov 15th, 2015 07:30 PM
Beniboybling
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by FreshestSlice
So you admit you didn't actually give one?
I wasn't aware that the fact Vader didn't destroy Luke was arguable.
In so far as the debate proper goes, I haven't picked a side as of yet, so no I do not have an argument. quote: (post ) Originally posted by carthage
Caedus is the greater duelist, but there isn't really a gap between them in force power when its Composite Vader at all. Vader has comparable showings of barrier, greater showings of telekinesis, and superior durability.
I wouldn't say Vader has better TK feats to ragdolling Jaina with a thought. And surely not even flinching in the face of impalement and dismemberment is superior to any of Vader's showings.
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Nov 15th, 2015 07:36 PM
Jaggarath
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Vader definitely has better feats against matter / objects, but Caedus on actual Force-users / penetrating Force barriers (like Revan).
Vader should have the environmental advantage but I can't picture him having a decisive edge over Caedus in a direct TK battle.
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Nov 15th, 2015 07:41 PM
cs_zoltan
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Beniboybling
I wouldn't say Vader has better TK feats to ragdolling Jaina with a thought.[/B]
Ragdolling Starkiller > ragdolling Jaina.
Nov 15th, 2015 07:45 PM
Jaggarath
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When did he ragdoll Starkiller? I can't keep up with all the different versions of TFU, tbh.
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Nov 15th, 2015 07:48 PM
cs_zoltan
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by DarthAnt66
When did he ragdoll Starkiller? I can't keep up with all the different versions of TFU, tbh.
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Nov 15th, 2015 07:51 PM
Beniboybling
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Ragdolling Starkiller > ragdolling Jaina.
Starkiller > Jaina but beyond that you're forgetting key contexts, namely:
1. Caedus did so effortlessly and without a gesture.
2. Caedus had been dismembered and impaled.
Its also worth mentioning Starkiller wielded Juyo, a form that leaves one vulnerable to Force based attacks, although I'm not sure what form Jaina wielded.
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Nov 15th, 2015 07:51 PM
cs_zoltan
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Beniboybling
Its also worth mentioning Starkiller wielded Juyo, a form that leaves one vulnerable to lightsaber attacks , although I'm not sure what form Jaina wielded.
Damn son, best form evur.
Nov 15th, 2015 07:52 PM
Jaggarath
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by cs_zoltan
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Uh, wrong .gif? Temporarily lifting him with a Force choke doesn't come close to resembling a ragdoll, kek
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Nov 15th, 2015 07:52 PM
cs_zoltan
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Uh, wrong .gif? Temporarily lifting him with a Force choke doesn't come close to resembling a ragdoll, kek
It's pretty much the same what Dooku did to Kenobi...
Nov 15th, 2015 07:54 PM
Jaggarath
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Except Dooku then threw him against a structure hard enough to knock Kenobi unconscious.
The .gif provided looks like he did a Force choke that Starkiller managed to break away from and jump down.
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Nov 15th, 2015 07:55 PM
Beniboybling
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Damn son, best form evur.
I swear there is something in my drink...
EDIT: Tbh pretty sure Jaina managed to break free from her ragdolling.
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cs_zoltan
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Beniboybling
I swear there is something in my drink...
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