Was looking to come in here and knock down Caedus arguments, but I see none worth responding too.
Also, Beni---Vader held back his telekinetic powers against Luke in RotJ; Luke confirms this himself after Geth wrecks him on CoPL by saying Darth would have done similar if he wanted:
Time seemed to slow. His head throbbed, pounding to the same rhythm as the beating of his heart. His face had gone cold, numb, and Luke realized distantly that Gethzerion’s spell had ripped open blood vessels in his brain, and he was about to die, one among hundreds of fatalities on this battlefield. o this is how it would have been, if Vader had tried to kill me. Who had Luke been kidding?
----Excerpt from The Courtship of Princess Leia
So can we put this silly notion that RotJ Luke is anywhere near Vader to rest already?
@DC, Luke isn't really in any position to make objective claims on what Vader could or would have done, especially in the contexts of a desperate situation where he is speaking out of self-depreciation for his ability to challenge powerful Force users i.e. he's underrating himself, a moment of self-doubt.
There are plenty of more objective and impartial sources that claim otherwise. First off there is what Vader actually believed:Guess he was mistaken, right?
Then there are various objective out-of-universe sources:And for the record? Vader was not holding back, he was pissed and prepared to kill:I fail to see why Vader would hold back on TK if he intended to put the fear of God into him.
So sure, let's put this silly notion to rest shall we?
EDIT: Another quote to add the the pile:And credit to ShootingNova for most of these quotes.
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Beni, the final quote regarding their "strength in the Force" is related to physical strength, as indicated by "their duels are more than just about physical strength".
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It is indeed, in that sense I would say they are equal (or Luke is better, since he kind of beat Vader's ass). Luke is actually better even without his Force Rage since he isn't rocking augmented armor and a Sith Amulet like Vader. He just doesn't have the experience at that point.
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
You'd do well to interpret me properly if you're going to call me retarded, LAL.
Luke's raw power and potential > Vader's. How it manifests is through Luke's Force augmentation, which put Vader on his ass in spite of Vader also having augmented armor and a Sith amulet.
Vader's actualized power in abilities like TK, telepathy etc >>>>> Luke's.
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”