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1. No they aren't. Everyone here is far beyond FTL, there is no way to gauge which one is faster at this point. Beerus can travel, from raw power, at FTL speeds, his fighting speeds should be well beyond that.
2. You need to attack DS from three planes of existence, Beerus lives above every plane of existence. He literally lives in a plane beyond DB's spiritual realms. This is a cross-universe battle, it would be absolutely pointless to make Beerus have to attack in realms that don't exist in his own canon. We can assume he can, in this case, because he is beyond similar realms in his own canon. Example being, Beerus is beyond Heaven and Hell in his own verse and fights using ki, energy obtained from one's own spirit. He should be able to dominate DS.
If we aren't going to lay those sorts of ground rules in discussions, then I can easily say that no one in Bastard wields God-ki or like, so Beerus can't be defeated by anyone in Bastard.
3. Time travel and Ginyu's swap aren't reality bending or "anti-creation" (not even a thing that holds weight) related. Time travel is quantum and Ginyu's body swap is...well...it's Ginyu.
Satan created a minivesre and creating a universe isn't the same as destroying one, especially not the same as destroying a universe through sheer force that wasn't made from you. Scientist, in real life, have created mini-multiverses in inside labs. Are they capable of destroying our universe, now?
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Also worth adding, Goku and Vegeta can destroy the universe, now. To destroy the universe with raw power, ki in this case, you would essentially need to be working against the force of the Big Bang, since the power of Big Bang is still active, today. Which means,
Goku > The Big Bang X 14 billion X a constantly increasing rate.
And one more thing, 50 billions suns might and I can't stress might enough, be just half of the amount of stars in just the Milyway. Some estimates say our galaxy has 400 billion stars which would make 50B an 8th the amount of stars in the Milkyway. Goku or any other character in this thread can destroy the Milky Way with a minimal degree of difficulty. The destruction of 50 billion stars can probably be accomplished by high end Z characters, with time.
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2. Big Bang = Universe level, which is casual DBS level.
3. They don't have to have destroyed the Milky way. They have the universe feat, that puts this to bed. Stop whining over it already, you're not going to change the facts.
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Yeah, no one in DBZ. Other than possibly Vegetto. And POSSIBLY Buuhan.
1. Um... Actually, it does. Goku has fought people who exist only on the Mental and Astral planes, with the same ki attacks he uses to fight people on the physical plane. Meaning that he, along with EVERY CHARACTER THAT USES KI, can attack all three planes at the same time.
2. What is your point here? Beerus flew across hundreds of galaxies in less than 20 seconds. A galaxy is, on average, approximately 100,000 light years in in diameter. Assuming Beerus flew through only 100 of them, that is a total of 10,000,000, that's TEN MILLION light years, which he crossed in under 20 seconds.
Clearly you don't understand the degree of speed this feat implies. A light year is the amount of distance that light can travel in an Earth year. Light travels at approximately 186,000 miles per second. Meaning about 669,600,000 miles per hour. Meaning that a light year is the equivalent of 5,865,696,000,000, THAT'S 5.8 TRILLION MILES. So we then multiply that by 100,000, and get 586,569,600,000,000,000 miles, 586 quadrillion miles, which is the approximate average diameter of a spiral galaxy. We then multiply this by 100, and get 58,656,960,000,000,000,000, 58 QUINTILLION miles. That's the distance that Beerus travelled in TWENTY SECONDS.
This means he flew at 2,932,848,000,000,000,000, 2.9 quintillion, miles per second. Light only moves at 186,000 miles per second. This means Beerus is OVER 15,768,000,000,000, that's FIFTEEN TRILLION, times faster than the speed of light. This is just his travel speed. DBZ/S is notorious for having faster combat speed than travel speed. But this calc works as a BARE MINIMUM.
This feat alone proves that DS couldn't dream of keeping up with Beerus, even in his most powerful forms.
3. Goku definitely can attack all three at the same time, as I've already proven. And Buu is not limited to his ki. He regenerates endlessly, just as DS does. Unless his base atoms are erased. Which is the same way you need to kill DS. Beerus or Goku have destructive capacity strong enough to completely break Dispel Bound, and are capable of killing DS on all three planes. ALL WITH ONE ATTACK.
4. You have no idea what you're talking about. The Judas Pain was a jewel that amps DS's power by millions of times. The feats you're talking about, he accomplished WITH the Judas Pain. And he was approximately 7,000 times FTL before he obtained it. Which means that even if the Judas Pain made him A BILLION times stronger/faster, which it doesn't, he'd still be OVER A MILLION TIMES SLOWER THAN BEERUS. And even WITH the Judas Pain, he's only a galaxy buster. That makes Beerus and Goku TRILLIONS of times stronger than him.
5. You don't need the power of the big bang to destroy the Black Abyss you need the power to destroy a galaxy. Which is... How strong DS is.
And all the Adam of Darkness form has is hyperbole, SUGGESTING that he MIGHT be god's peer. It is featless, and all the statements describing it are hyperbole.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Not only would DS not be able to see Goku or Beerus, to fight them in the first place, but even if they slowed down for him, he wouldn't be able to put a SCRATCH on them.
There is a reason DS lost to TTGL in the vs forums.
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1. That isn't causal and since it involved 2 beings of near similarity he cant replicate the same feat within a Death Battle like this lmao common sense you need to look at my thread debunking collision feats as actual feats.
2. No not really nothing in DBS has "Big Bang" level attacks/energy so again you don't have the intelligence to use the word "Casual" right let alone what the Big Bang is and what it can do.
3. Universe feat=actually destroying the universe and not statements which are hype lol! i already but that "Universe feat" to bed and how about you stop whining that goku loses? or hell any dragon ball character loses to beings with higher/better feats?
1. No....Goku would have to be dead to do such a feat just stop.
2. 20 seconds? you basing that off of fan translations? since whis had 40 seconds left and it beerus showed up around that time it was either longer than that.
3. Buu was visibly affected by bullets lol.....also no Goku DC is still low tho since he would need Beerus to cause the same affect which in this case he cant and even with Beerus nothing Universe level will happen and no Goku cant attack all 3 levels lol.
4. DS is slower than beerus?......you are highly high lol.........DS Speed>>>>>>>>Beerus
5. And goku doesnt have Universe level durability let alone Galaxy and like how you call DS statements hyperbole but would be quick to call all Dragon Ball statements as facts what a major hypocrite!
DS makes Dragon Ball look like Dora dude just stop the feats YOU wank about are HYPERBOLE
NO UNIVERSE,NO GALAXIES, and NO SOLAR SYSTEMS was busted by either Goku or Beerus NOT even the sun even supernova and the same attack turned a simple planet to ash lol! Dark Schneider has to much hax and power for either one he stomps clear and simple.
Goku loses to TTGL in ever debate so your given comment is invalid lol.