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Nemesis X
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I'd rather Jack had stayed in the future. It's what I've been anticipating this whole series. The lives he saved, the friends he made. Especially now that he's [SPOILER - highlight to read]: got a girlfriend he should've known killing Aku in the past would grimly affect her. GEE I WONDER WHY!


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Disappointing finale. The ending was way too rushed. There wasn't even a goodbye to his friends in the future.

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So, why not kill Aku before he sends Jack into the future? Because it would create a paradox and wipe out future Jack?

But by killing Aku, who sent future Jack back to the past? Did Genndy try and create a stable time loop and flub it, or did he know it has problems?


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Killing Aku simply prevented the events of Samurai Jack from happening. A new timeline is created when he just kills Aku in the past. And in a way, that's a blessing for almost everyone, as they will all exist, but never go through the hardship of Aku's reign. Blind Archers never become slaves to the well. 300 never have to fight the Minotaurs. Woolies never get enslaved, etc, etc...

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Killing Aku simply prevented the events of Samurai Jack from happening. A new timeline is created when he just kills Aku in the past. And in a way, that's a blessing for almost everyone, as they will all exist, but never go through the hardship of Aku's reign. Blind Archers never become slaves to the well. 300 never have to fight the Minotaurs. Woolies never get enslaved, etc, etc...


Sure, but young Jack was still sent forward in time. And with Aku's death, he should be stuck there. No Aku to create Ashi, and no Ashi to send his older self back.

Old Jack killing Aku before he could send young Jack forward, and then old Jack and Ashi fading away as the timeline reset would have made more sense.


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Young Jack will eventually meet and defeat the Guardian.


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Killing Aku simply prevented the events of Samurai Jack from happening. A new timeline is created when he just kills Aku in the past. And in a way, that's a blessing for almost everyone, as they will all exist, but never go through the hardship of Aku's reign. Blind Archers never become slaves to the well. 300 never have to fight the Minotaurs. Woolies never get enslaved, etc, etc...


A new timeline isn't created. The old one is simply changed. Which is why Ashi disappeared as she never existed. And no, it wouldn't be a blessing for nearly everyone as the people Jack met in the future would no longer exist either. Quite disturbing really.

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Old Jack killing Aku before he could send young Jack forward, and then old Jack and Ashi fading away as the timeline reset would have made more sense.
Infinitely more sense. thumb up

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Sure, but young Jack was still sent forward in time. And with Aku's death, he should be stuck there. No Aku to create Ashi, and no Ashi to send his older self back.

Old Jack killing Aku before he could send young Jack forward, and then old Jack and Ashi fading away as the timeline reset would have made more sense.


There aren't 2 Jack's. It's all the same Jack. He was sent forward in time in Episode 1 of Season 1. Ashi went back with him to the same instant he left, and he killed Aku. Meaning he never went forward in time in the first place.

And how does Aku being dead mean the future doesn't happen? Just because he's not in it doesn't mean everyone else will never exist. Jack will just never see it.

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But he DID get sent to the future. Aku being killed AFTER Jack is sent forward wouldn't undo that. Not any more then destroying a plane after the passengers depart would prevent their trip.

It WOULD undo Aku existing in the future, though.


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I missed the last ep, did Ashi fade out of existence when jack killed Aku? Or did Jack get to keep his GF?


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I missed the last ep, did Ashi fade out of existence when jack killed Aku? Or did Jack get to keep his GF?


Did you see Gurren Lagann? It ends like that.

Ashi lasts just long enough for the wedding, then fades out.


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And how does Aku being dead mean the future doesn't happen? Just because he's not in it doesn't mean everyone else will never exist. Jack will just never see it.


Butterfly effect. Without Aku ruling the world, the people in the future would never exist. Their forefathers wouldn't meet, they wouldn't have the exact same children, etc...

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Butterfly effect. Without Aku ruling the world, the people in the future would never exist. Their forefathers wouldn't meet, they wouldn't have the exact same children, etc...


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Scottsman may never have existed.

The robots and dog mutants and such almost certainly would have never existed, with no Aku scientists or cataclysm to change everything.


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Did you see Gurren Lagann? It ends like that.

Ashi lasts just long enough for the wedding, then fades out.


Did Jack get to Bang her before she faded out?


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Did Jack get to Bang her before she faded out?


Probably not. thumb down


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Everyone that came to help Jack knew exactly what he wanted to do. They chose to help him despite the negative consequences to themselves. Defeating Aku and saving all those countless lives he ruined was the morally correct thing to do and the citizens of the future unilaterally agreed it seems.


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They were just there for Aku in the present. I don't think they knew he was going back in time and changing history. Those that did probably figured if he couldn't do it in 50 years, he wasn't doing it.


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"And now the fool seeks to return to the past and undo the future that is Aku."

They knew the context, they made the decision.


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Everyone that came to help Jack knew exactly what he wanted to do. They chose to help him despite the negative consequences to themselves. Defeating Aku and saving all those countless lives he ruined was the morally correct thing to do and the citizens of the future unilaterally agreed it seems.
From a storytelling standpoint, it's pretty lame to not give any of those characters any closure. At very least, have them acknowledge everything you're saying. Since they haven't, everything you've said is headcanon at best. No different than your suppositions about Aku realizing the folly of his ways in not taking the opportunity to kill Jack during the last 50 years..

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