But it ISN'T a choice. The choice isn't about being free or not, it is about beiong in the Matrix or not from an objective sense. It is no point you saying the ones in Zion THINK they are free so therefore the choice is made. The ones in the Matrix THINK they are free as well.
The POINT is that the humans subconciously realise they are not in the real world, regardless of what they consciously think. So putting them into a simulated Zion makes no difference. They have to be not in any form of computer Matrix at all.
Neo does not necessarily have to be communicating for the part of humself in the Matrix for it to be useful to him.
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Good point Ush, I will elaborate by saying that Neo said it was "different" he could "feel" them. So obviously being that close to the source changed him and the code he carries.
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I donīt think Zion is a Matrix. The end of the movie was not clear, but I think Zion was destroyed, for the sixth time. Someone says that that virotic copy of Smith was the only survivor of Zion destruction.
The point is: the real world is the new Matrix. Thereīs only one Matrix. The old one, after Neo reached the mainframe, was reloaded as the real world. Thatīs why Neo managed to stop the sentinels.
Everybody is still plugged in but only Neo and that survivor know that.
Bane/Smith was not the last survivor of Zion he was the last survivor of the counter strike that Locke planned to stop the sentinels from digging.
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I'm with ya Ush, as well as some others. I don't think there is more than one matrix. Zion is the real world. I can't explain exactly how Neo stopped the sentinels but it has something to do with his trip to the source and his encounters with Smith where they rubbed off part of themselves on eachother.
There really wasn't a transition they cut from [SPOILER - highlight to read]: the scence where Noe saves Trinity to the scene with the crew of the Neb talking in the kitchen of the Neb.
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Why does everyone keep saying that Neo and the Smith-human are the only survivors?
If they are the only survivors then who put them in the medical room beds?
The attack on Zion has just started, it has not been destoryed it's is set to be destroyed in the next film, quote "we have 24 hours to save Zion".
I think that that there might be 2 levels of the matrix this is just a thoery though , The Matrix is the 1st level it is where the Humans are kept and are happy not knowing what they are being used for, teh 2nd level the real world, they are "not" infact free from the matrix however, they have freedom to go in and out of teh Matrix and have some control over it.
SO in other words the Machines Have to real world so they can control teh Humans and teh Humans have the matrix so that they get control over soemthing.
Also they have accepted The Real World as teh Real World because they think they are free
Or another theory is the Reloaded theory which i think is better than my one above
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I think Zion is not in the Matrix. It is in the real world. I do not think that NEO used a EMP to stop the sentinels, the effects used do not coincide with the effects used from the first movie for an EMP. I am not sure about what he did though. I do think that the architect lied to Neo in order to destroy his self confidence. If Neo doesn't believe he is the one then he isn't the one.
Neo and Bane (Smith-human) were the only two survivors of the first attack against the machines. The commander was planning a counter-attack against the sentinals, but an EMP was discharged before all the ships got out of range of one another EMP radius, causing 5 ships to die immediately. (Bane was the one to discharge the EMP). After that, all went into chaos, and the sentinals slaughtered the ships. That counter-attack, which failed horrendously, had only one surivivor, Bane. He was unconscious when they found him, and put him on the medical bed. When the Neb was attacked, Neo stopped the sentinals somehow (EMP? don't know. but he did it somehow) and he too became unconscious. By only two survivors, I don't mean of the entire world, or entire matrix, but just the only two survivors of the first attack against the machines
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Good analysis Tevesh. That was my interpretation of it as well..
I posted the stuff below over in another thread also but I think it's relevant here also:
>> At the end of the Movie, Neo says "something's different - I can feel them" about the Sentinels. Then he goes on to stop them just like he can with bullets inside the Matrix. To me, this suggests one of the following:
1. The world "outside the Matrix", i.e. the tunnels, Zion, everything that (up to now) we thought was "Real" is actually some sort of additional part of the Matrix / another layer / whatever....
Or...
2. Neo has gained some kind of real-world power as "The One" to be able to stop the Sentinels but the shock of this realisation was so great it knocked him into a coma.....
Or...
3. They've all been duped and the Matrix has tricked them into thinking they've jacked out after Neo saved Trinity but they're actually still in a "Reloaded" version that now includes a virtual world complete with a fake Zion / tunnel system / sentinels etc....
Finally, could it be possible that whilst both Neo and Smith/Bane appear to be unconscious that they are actually now disconnected from the system and in another "realm" which could be revealed in the final movie? Perhaps the scene of the fight between them that was hinted at in the trailer?
And as been pointed out muchly before, the computer game tells us that part of Neo remained inside the Matrix, this is far more likely to be part of the explanation.
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