But seriously they have quotes from people quite literally telling them what "satanism" truly means and how Satan isn't an actual being. They just dismiss them with utter nonsense.
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So just to be clear the wife wrote the autobiography and claimed he did believe in Satan. Well gee, that proves something I guess.
Even though it doesn't actually change what I said about Satanism.
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I can post multiple quotes of Lavey denouncing and mocking all religion, and his wife's words don't contradict the fact the man was an atheist.
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You miss the point. If Lavey's own wife disagrees, and validly so, then Lavey was NOT telling you what "satanism" truly means. He was, in that case, lying.
If she doesn't validly disagree, then she, being a Satanist, was lying.
Proving that Satanists lie.
Or perhaps you're calling the idea of anything whatsoever being supernatural "utter nonsense" and just worded your response poorly?
I'm sure you can. You'd expect a Satanist to denounce and mock Abrahamic religions by definition, and Christianity especially.
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Perhaps you are taking the stance of Richard Dawkins, i.e. that the monotheist is an atheist regarding any deity other than his own?
Otherwise "My husband Anton Lavey believed in and worshipped Satan as an actual being" (or whatever was written in Lavey's biography) does, indeed, contradict the supposition Lavey did not believe in an actual Satan.
Why would he lie about his beliefs? There are many Satanists that actually worship Satan/Lucifer. They practice black magic/animal sacrifice, etc. In fact, these groups despise Lavey's atheistic Satanism. Why would Lavey worship Satan privately and tell his followers the devil doesn't exist?
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Don't get me wrong, it is odd that a professed atheist would want to identify with Satanism, even if it is just in name only. He could have founded an atheistic society without religious overtones.
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I personally haven't read the LaVey biography, so I don't even know if the claim is true, or taken out of context, but even if the widow had said that, I am not sure why we would default to taking her word over his words and actions during his lifetime.
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1. Anton Lavey and his wife, if the 2 had any semblance of a relationship, was privy to far more of his actions than you or I. Far more than got published. If you're looking for a good source of information, unless their marriage was pure hell, the spouse is a better place to start than just about anyone else.
2. Anton Lavey was noted as a con-man. Read the Wikipedia entry for his daughter Zeena Schreck, for corroboration. In other words, he had a reputation for being dishonest. It's not like we're talking about Abe Lincoln here ...
The Church of Satan (LaVeyan Satanism) is a fake cult. It's viewed as a mockery by many major Satanic sects. It was established by an atheist with Messianic Complex and ADD disorder. His church is no different to the modern Christian cults we have today (ex. Westboro Baptist, Iglesia ni Cristo, Ang Dating Daan, etc.) He was looking for a means to attain fame and fortune.
His wife is doing the same. She wants LaVey to stay relevant hence she's lying to the public that her husband was a worshipper of Satan, just to stir some controversy in hoping the book becomes a bestseller.
As regards to LaVey being evil, he is no different to any other businessman. He wanted fame and fortune and he achieved it. He found success by establishing his scam religion.
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So you feel the fact she is telling people the dude thought Satan was a real thing means they had a good marriage? When he went out of his way to make sure people thought otherwise? Strange.
Also if the guy truly believed in Satan then the marriage probably was HELL. Get it? You get it?
If he is a con-man then how can we trust anything he said to anyone? Whether it be his wife or anyone else? Con-men tend to lie a lot, even to those closest to them.
Though you still realize if he was conning people into believing he didn't believe in Satan then that is irrelevant to the overall views of the church of Satan, right? It doesn't mean everyone involved actually believes. The quote this entire discussion started off of was not me talking specifically about the beliefs of one man, but the church.
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