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Bashar Teg
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i need for all the characters to have contrived origins. poe and finn are actually half brothers, sons of lando. omg please be true. admiral ackbar is jar jar's son. tarkin is rey's uncle. *twitches* bb-8 was made by boba fett from parts he stole from c-3p0 in bespin. more. i need more. general hux is wedge antilles' grandson. *compulsively scratching self* c'mon baby just another taste. i'll do anything.


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Poe already has a backstory. miffed:


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Beniboybling
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Nah, revealing Snoke to be Plagueis would make him a significantly more compelling character than the alternative i.e. Palpatine 2.0.

As it stands Kylo Ren is set to perform the role of principal villain, with Snoke manipulating in the background as a largely archetypal representation of evil and the dark side. This simply doesn't leave much or any room to develop for Snoke a compelling backstory and complex character, just as it didn't with Palpatine.

He can only really be the stereotypical Evil Overlord/foil we've seen and had already, and that will be rather boring, and is unlikely to top Palpatine in it's execution.

Establish Snoke as Plagueis however as he's instantly more compelling and complex, the master of the most powerful Sith in history and former Galactic Emperor gives him a gravitas that Eldritch Abomination from nowhere never could.

And being the murdered, supplanted but resurrected master means he isn't above Palpatine, but not necessarily beneath him either. Also giving us a character wise and powerful but also vulnerable, embittered, twisted, and potentially disillusioned with what it means to be Sith. In this way very distinct from Palpatine, and compelling in his own right, as well as more rounded.

Finally a character that treats Palpatine with condescending disdain rather subservience and reverence could make for some really fresh and interesting dialogue and character in general. His ability to create life and cheat death also has a lot of unexplored potential as a plot point.

I just feel like this idea has a lot of storytelling potential, rather than just amounting to a "contrived reference" (which is really quite fundamental to the PT and Anakin's fall.) And with the Plagueis novel now Legends, it seems unlikely they will leave this Lucas creation untouched forever.


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Nah, revealing Snoke to be Plagueis would make him a significantly more compelling character than the alternative i.e. Palpatine 2.0.

As it stands Kylo Ren is set to perform the role of principal villain, with Snoke manipulating in the background as a largely archetypal representation of evil and the dark side. This simply doesn't leave much or any room to develop for Snoke a compelling backstory and complex character, just as it didn't with Palpatine.

He can only really be the stereotypical Evil Overlord/foil we've seen and had already, and that will be rather boring, and is unlikely to top Palpatine in it's execution.

Establish Snoke as Plagueis however as he's instantly more compelling and complex, the master of the most powerful Sith in history and former Galactic Emperor gives him a gravitas that Eldritch Abomination from nowhere never could.

And being the murdered, supplanted but resurrected master means he isn't above Palpatine, but not necessarily beneath him either. Also giving us a character wise and powerful but also vulnerable, embittered, twisted, and potentially disillusioned with what it means to be Sith. In this way very distinct from Palpatine, and compelling in his own right, as well as more rounded.

Finally a character that treats Palpatine with condescending disdain rather subservience and reverence could make for some really fresh and interesting dialogue and character in general. His ability to create life and cheat death also has a lot of unexplored potential as a plot point.

I just feel like this idea has a lot of storytelling potential, rather than just amounting to a "contrived reference" (which is really quite fundamental to the PT and Anakin's fall.) And with the Plagueis novel now Legends, it seems unlikely they will leave this Lucas creation untouched forever.


what about snoke as a dark sider completely unrelated to the sith, from an ancient dark side cult unknown to jedi and sith - or a force ghost of such long dead cult

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Darth Thor
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Snoke's not even a Muun. Chances of him being Plageuis is pretty tiny now. And there's absolutely no reason to keep his Origin a secret either, because he's not even well known.

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Beniboybling
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How? Darth Plagueis being a Muun is non-canon, and Disney have made it quite clear J.J. is not beholden to any of that.

There is evidence against Snoke being Plagueis, but that's the most inconsequential IMO.
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what about snoke as a dark sider completely unrelated to the sith, from an ancient dark side cult unknown to jedi and sith - or a force ghost of such long dead cult
None of those options quite jumping out at me.


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It's that and the fact that it's just a completely point "secret" to keep.

But then again so is the "Luke is Rey's Father" secret, which will likely end up being the case.

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How is it a secret? Snoke just hasn't received any exposition yet that's all, his origins are a mystery to the audience full stop at this point.


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Okay, well... if you put it this way, I'm game! wink


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Beniboybling
How? Darth Plagueis being a Muun is non-canon, and Disney have made it quite clear J.J. is not beholden to any of that.

There is evidence against Snoke being Plagueis, but that's the most inconsequential IMO.None of those options quite jumping out at me.
In fairness to Dt he might not be aware that isn't canon anymore.


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A...a... muun??? WTF...


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How is it a secret? Snoke just hasn't received any exposition yet that's all, his origins are a mystery to the audience full stop at this point.



Just the fact that they're calling him Snoke and not Plaguies.

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Originally posted by Beniboybling
Nah, revealing Snoke to be Plagueis would make him a significantly more compelling character than the alternative i.e. Palpatine 2.0.

As it stands Kylo Ren is set to perform the role of principal villain, with Snoke manipulating in the background as a largely archetypal representation of evil and the dark side. This simply doesn't leave much or any room to develop for Snoke a compelling backstory and complex character, just as it didn't with Palpatine.

He can only really be the stereotypical Evil Overlord/foil we've seen and had already, and that will be rather boring, and is unlikely to top Palpatine in it's execution.

Establish Snoke as Plagueis however as he's instantly more compelling and complex, the master of the most powerful Sith in history and former Galactic Emperor gives him a gravitas that Eldritch Abomination from nowhere never could.

And being the murdered, supplanted but resurrected master means he isn't above Palpatine, but not necessarily beneath him either. Also giving us a character wise and powerful but also vulnerable, embittered, twisted, and potentially disillusioned with what it means to be Sith. In this way very distinct from Palpatine, and compelling in his own right, as well as more rounded.

Finally a character that treats Palpatine with condescending disdain rather subservience and reverence could make for some really fresh and interesting dialogue and character in general. His ability to create life and cheat death also has a lot of unexplored potential as a plot point.

I just feel like this idea has a lot of storytelling potential, rather than just amounting to a "contrived reference" (which is really quite fundamental to the PT and Anakin's fall.) And with the Plagueis novel now Legends, it seems unlikely they will leave this Lucas creation untouched forever.


Agreed


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is snoke supposed to be snake?

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Beniboybling
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Just the fact that they're calling him Snoke and not Plaguies.
Well I figured if he is Plagueis for whatever reason he's abandoned his Darth title/is no longer Sith.

That and a new name makes him more approachable to a new audience.

Calling him Plagueis would spoil a lot about his character though, just like if they called Ren Ben Solo.


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A new name? Who knew who Plagues was then? He was a Sith legend, probably known by Jedi, but hardly outside of that. And since the Jedi were extinct...

Anyway, I hope he's just an new character.


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It wouldn't be to hide his identity, but a relinquishing of his Sith past.

I just hope that whoever he is, he's interesting.


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Oh yes...


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snoke is mortis son

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