Right, what about the fact that Kylo Ren knows who she is, the fact that her touching the Luke's saber causes visions of her past & Knights of Ren, the fact she dreams about the island Skywalker is found on and finally the fact that Skywalker recognises her when she finally finds him?
She is clearly not some random little girl lol.
And of course my evidence is circumstantial, we are all speculating here.
Last edited by Beniboybling on Jan 4th, 2016 at 02:58 PM
For one: how do you know Kylo Ren knows who she is? He doesn't say: hello, Rey!
Secondly: she dreams of a lot of things, she hears the voice of Yoda and OB1, who have been long dead before she was born. The visions do not only represent memories, but other things she see through the Force. So the visions of the Knights of Ren do not mean she was there.
Thirdly: I didn't see Luke recognising her. He certainly recognised his old sabre, but not necessarily her.
And again: Abrams and Kasdan are painstakingly avoiding anything that smells of the PT or the dodginess of Lucas in ROTJ. That is very clear form how they made the movie. I would not be surprised if they avoided the convenient family relation.
Rey might just as well be the child of one of Luke's students, who hid her from Snoke's and Ren's wrath. Since TFA is copying so much from the OT, this might be a very plausible reason of a) her force sensitivity and b) that she was at least initiated in the Jedi arts.
My plight is this: there is no reasons whatsoever to think that Rey's origin lies "MOST LIKELY" in the fact that she is Luke's kid. I have more reasons, less circumstantial, to believe she is not. She might be, but I doubt it. And I hope not.
Well, the fact that they *only* sent Rey to locate/contact Luke implies that she has some sort of [deep] connection to him, imo. After all, anyone could have went to said planet and delivered his old lightsaber... But the fact that it was specifically Rey makes me think she was chosen because they knew Luke would respond better to her than he would with anyone else(Leia included.) /shrug
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Last edited by Galan007 on Jan 4th, 2016 at 04:11 PM
In the novel when the lightsaber springs to her hand he says "It is you", clearly she is someone he is familiar with but doesn't immediately recognise (because she was a child) and her ability to wield Luke's lightsaber proves her identity.
Hint. Hint.Right except the dream of the island is not a vision, it's just a image that is far some reason lodged in her mind and has something to do with her abandonment/loneliness, we learn this during her interrogation.
Concerning the visions themselves though, they are not necessarily memories, but neither are they random. All these events are seemingly linked, too each other, her, the lightsaber, or all of the above.From the script:
When Luke looks at Rey, there is a “kindness in his eyes, but there’s something tortured too.” Perhaps a greater surprise is the fact that the Jedi Master “doesn’t need to ask her who she is, or what she is doing here… his look says it all.”
Long lost daughter vibes being certainly inferable.That is entirely your own opinion, not fact. It's also pretty much invalidated by the fact that the entire film "stinks" of ANH and the fact Kylo is "conveniently" Han & Luke's daughter. I think this is a strong possibility, but the saber connection leads me believe her being Luke's daughter is indeed the most likely.
Last edited by Beniboybling on Jan 4th, 2016 at 04:22 PM
Did somebody say midichlorians?Yeah but the lead has always been a Skywalker, as Kathleen says, it's a Skywalker story. Originally Maz was supposed to go to the Rebel base and deliver the lightsaber to Leia, but that was cut from the movie.
Mmm, I guess. But for me being a Skywalker and having a "Skywalker story" is more than about bloodline. It's about the Hero's Journey i.e. discovering you're not just some nobody from desert planet X, and becoming a hero/Jedi who must confront and overcome evil.
I don't really see Leia as a Skywalker for those reasons, because that's Luke's department, she's just related. And indeed she's never referred to as Leia Skywalker. So Kylo being a Skywalker is already a bit muddied, and while Darth Vader is his grandfather, its Vader's not Anakin's legacy he is attempting to follow, nor does he have that Hero's Journey arc, he was born into privilege, and now he's the antagonist.
Rey's story on the other hand is textbook Hero's Journey, and has been closely linked to the Skywalker theme.
But yeah her potential is telling, strong suggestion being it's even greater than Kylo's. Maybe she's a Tano. (please log in to view the image)
Last edited by Beniboybling on Jan 6th, 2016 at 12:09 PM