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Darth Maul vs Anakin
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Ziggystardust
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How on earth did he get Gillard's email in the first instance?

I don't know if any of you have worked jobs that involve collecting data, but these things aren't just floating around the internet, waiting for some teenager with too much time on his hands to find.


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Anakin pretty comfortably


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Are you kidding? Ant said, that Gillard said... far from believable argument.

On the other hand, might be true, since Dooku was quickly overhelmed by enraged Anakin.

Anyway, what I was trying to say, is that Gillard's levels are pointless, since Kenobi isn't "agressive" fighter, and Anakin - even enraged - isn't Sidious' or Yoda's equal. It was clearly suggested in Yoda's visioin - Anakin was able to beat Count Dooku in a similar way he did in ROTS, but still he was a non-factor as Yoda's backup against Sidious.
More then that, it seems, that Mace isn't the same as he was arround 2005th. Unlike Yoda or Sidious.



Hey I didn't use that as an argument. Was just saying about Ant. But I know he does message these guys asking questions. And Gillard never did give Dooku a ranking, but like you said he couldn't be a 9 for obvious reasons.

Didn't Sidious overpower Anakin with TK and FL in Yoda's Vision? Had nothing to do with Sabers.

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I didn't say he couldn't be 9. According to choreography, he actually could. Anakin never defeated him the same way, that Luke defeated Vader for example. Vader was quickly overhelmed, lost his energy and was beaten even before Luke svered his hand.
Dooku at the very end of the fight was even able to stop Anakin's assault and counter - then Anakin outmanuvered him, Dooku lost his balance, Anakin catched his wrists and severed his hands.

It's much more then a swordfight. The mental game that's going on is just as important as the moves. Dooku's weakness is that he's already beaten Anakin - and he's pretty sure he can do it again
--- Making of ROTS

I would say, that it strongly suggest, that Dooku's overconfidence is a great part of this fight. and That:

Anakin regains his composure and attacks COUNT DOOKU as the Dark Lord continues his spin to meet him head on. Their fighting becomes even more intense. Anakin attacks COUNT DOOKU with a new ferociousness.

Anakin and Dooku continue their fight. It is intense! Finally, in one last energized charge, ANAKIN cuts off COUNT DOOKU's hands.


seems like a fight of wo equals. There will be one winner and one looser, but it's a great fight.

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What version of CW Anakin are we talking about?

I'm going to assume we mean Maul as of fighting Sidious and Anakin as of Season 6.

Maul has the advantage over Anakin in endurance, physical shape, and hand-to-hand combat.

Both are about equal in their application of the force in combat though I might give a slight edge to Anakin circumstances varying.

Sabers: They both practice in strenth-based lightsaber forms but Maul gets the edge with Teräs Käsi.

I still continue to believe that Anakin beat Dooku mainly through exploiting Makashi's weakness against power attacks. Not saying that Anakin was not able to match Dooku's speed, but I believe Dooku was a more skilled technical dueler.

The advantage he had against Dooku wouldn't apply to Maul.

IMO these combatants are too close to make a solid verdict on but I'd reckon that Anakin in his jedi mindset would lose to Maul through frustration. Maul simply outlasts him until Anakin tires or he takes advantage of the environment and Anakin's tendency to "charge like a bull without thinking things through" if you know what I mean.There is a chance Anakin might break through Maul's defenses but I wouldn't bet money on it. Maul wins 8/10

Now if Anakin embraces dark energy (not to the extent of Zonakin) but to the extent he did against say Barriss at the end of their fight, Anakin could win 7-8/10. I just don't see this scenario playing out unless Anakin saw Maul injure Kenobi or hurt him emotionally in someway.

Jedi Anakin is too emotionally conflicted to take on Maul, but Dark Anakin can smile


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Anakin would dummy Maul easy

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I agree with some of the points you make Kurk but Maul won't win.


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Not we can put this whole: "Mace = Dooku" crap to rest.


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^ Well they were equal in Legends. Canon not so much.

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Originally posted by Ziggystardust
How on earth did he get Gillard's email in the first instance?


It's not hard. Dude has a stunt website with his contact info.

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Quanchi should be sucking my d1ck right now for supporting Maul


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I don't think you can be dissing Anakin's emotional state when Maul is all kinds of insane


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I don't think you can be dissing Anakin's emotional state when Maul is all kinds of insane

I would agree with you if this was a Maul before switching to his "proper" robotic legs when he was mentally disturbed from years of solitary confinement.
I'm saying that Anakin is held-back by his jedi principles which conflict inside him with fear/anger/hate. Remember in the RotS novel when Dooku pointed it out to Anakin and he became hindered?


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Hmm


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I know Anakin is a prodigy and he's ragdolled Ventress, Barriss etc. But it's not that impressive. By ROTS he couldn't even destroy Kenobi with a force push, sad considering Maul can choke him on a regular basis. So how big is Anakin's force advantage? He has a lot of raw power but it's unrefined :/


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^ Maul never force pushed Kenobi whilst he was pushing back though.

Also Maul never rag dolled ROTS Kenobi, and there were usually circumstances to his ragdolling.

That said Maul definitely has the TK advantage over Kenobi, but I honestly don't think the difference is as extreme as some make out.

And given Skywalker seems to tank all of Dooku's Force Tk attacks, I really don't see that area being an advantage for Maul against Skywalker.

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It's not because Ant's riding Gillard's quote to Walhalla that everone has to follow him... I think people are, again, forgetting the context around this quote. From a movie perspective, Gillard's perspective, both Anakin and Windu definitely are a tier 9 duelist like Yoda & Sidous, however that's only under the circumstances the movie brings us. To be more specific, Anakin's only reached that state when he fully released the anger he had been holding back since he was a boy under the inlfuence of Dooku's Dun Moch and Obi-Wan's apparent death while Mace reached this state when he was confronted with the fall of the Republic, his true love, and Sidious, being the most powerful Sith ever.

If Anakin or Windu really were tier 9 duelist under normal circumstances then Dooku would have been destroyed in Dark Disciple and Maul couldn't have holded off Windu in SoD since the gap between tier 8 and 9 is very noticeable according to this same Gillard.


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