RealityWarper, this is the 3rd time a mod has told you that "What ifs" are not considered proof, unless the thread specifies a "what if" version. End of story. So either debate within the rules or stop posting.
Real War, you know that guy you're arguing against; Phildosophtpenis? Well it'd get hard if you were under 14.
That's why he seems so creepy and deceiving. He lies so he open holes in "arguments" that he plans to fillPhil. Keep exposing him so he doesn't do the same to you and drag you to his van.
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@Philosophia :
That's the words of Tony Stark, National Secretary of Defense.
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It is literally written in black and white.
But your opinion probably weight more than Tony Stark's opinion on the matter, right ?
"[...]since such an overload could have easily triggered a psionic outburst to remake the world more openly and gives us another House of M to deal with".
In short, Sentry has the power to trigger another House Of M therefore he is at least as powerful as House of M Scarlet Witch.
For the record that's one of the report that Tony Stark made to the President of the USA to evaluate the threats during the Civil War.
For me you need pre crisis Darkseid for this to even be a fight. The problem is that Darkseid would have trouble fully destroying Sentry to the point he couldn't reform.
On the other hand there is actually very little Sentry could do to harm PC Darkseid. Both have powerful mental abilities as well. Darkseid can hold entire planets inside his mind somehow and swap them out into different sections of space.
I suppose Darkseid could possibly win via use of mental powers. Mentally enslaving billions of superhumans at once is a bit more impressive then Sentry wiping his existence away from the minds of people on Earth.
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Dude, let's start with Sentry destroying Galaxies,
or defeating a foe who can, before we get ahead of ourselves.
That's an empty statement regarding "HOM" which isn't indicative to Wanda's power.
Perhaps they're referring to just planet Earth, which is nice, but infinitely beneath Wanda.
The only other option is pure hyperbole!
When Sentry begins to affect an entire universe, or stalemate/defeat a universal power,
he'll start touching HOM Wanda's toes.
... only thing that's "100% reliable" ... is an actual feat.
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Tony Stark was in charge of the National Defense so that's more than just a statement.
A statement is like "let's see how do you feel after one hundred thousands blow" when the character hit his target only once. That is pure hyperbole.
Sentry wasted Molecule Man effortlessly when he understood that he can manipulate the reality, that's more than enough to show him far above the Cosmic Cube-beings.
On top of that Sentry did it under his own power.
HOM Wanda was amped by the Life Force when she warped the omniverse and she has a 20 % unreliability factor.
It seems that you don't make the difference between a statement and an information given by Marvel, once more, to show how the character is powerful.
It's not like Sentry have been stated to have a limitless power in the Handbooks, bub.
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A meaningless statement, which is even vague in it's purpose.
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Owen was severely de-powered during Dark Reign.
He could only warp molecules at close range.
Owen wasn't even a global power. (stated on panel) Literally, only the molecules around him.
Oh, and, Owen never warped "reality" during Dark Reign.
You're confusing mentally stable Owen showings with this hindered Dark Reign Owen, who was not mentally stable.
lol, at your notion that Sentry/Void is not only above, but "far" above Cube beings,
even considering that Owen unleashed is truly far above Cube beings.
I think he just doesn't "get it".
Maybe if somebody would be willing to post examples of what is and what is not "canon".
As well as the types and hierchy of evidence that can be presented in defense of an argument.
Statements by characters, statements by writers, narration, on-panel feats, etc.
Once he understands, there is no more wiggle-room. In Monopoly, you can't buy a Railroad from Jail, no matter how much you want to. And nobody is going to let you, no matter how much you argue your point.
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Because that's not a statement.
Especially when you lolstomp a Cosmic Cube-being at full power without breaking a sweat.
On topic, I'm glad that you guys don't make the difference between new 52 Barry Allen and the other post-crisis Flashs.
Nice that you post a picture when Flash just do one flurry of 7 punches and 1 single punch in the next panel, that totally don't look like an hyperbolic statement from a character used to overhype his abilities.
It's not a statement, it's an official report from Tony Stark, in charge of the National Security, to the President of the USA.
Do you understand the meaning of the word "context" ?
Owen wasn't depowered in the slightest.
You obviously don't understand how is abilities works.
His abilities are only affected by the limitations he places upon them and Owen had no mental inhibitions during that arc.
Nope, Owen stated that he wanted to stay alone in his town and therefore only affected people coming into it, that's all about the "limited range".
He didn't "limit" the range of his abilities, he chosen to limitate his influence to the range of the city.
Owen said that he affect the molecules around him but not that he can't affect the molecules far away. That's a CRUCIAL difference of perspective.
Owen was always unstable, that's part of the character. The only time he is stable is when he explains his true origins to Dr Doom and it doesn't matter because that's NOT what affect his powers.
There is literally ALL marvel official handbooks + the stories that back-up what I just said.
If you want to make a case for Owen, I advise you to take the proper informations about the character.
And yes :
Sentry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Owen Reece >>>>>>>>>>> Other Cosmic Cube-beings.
Owen wasn't even trying to win, he wanted to lose, he wanted to be punish and that's panel.
Owen powers only worked in local area, like master said his powers weren't even global, dark regin MM was mid trans at best not even close to his passive normal levels which are far above sky fathers and elder gods and that's some serious raw power between those two teers. Evil MM is by far the most powerful for he doesn't give a phuck, he could've collapse the whole damn multiverse upon when fighting beyonder
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... only thing that's "100% reliable" ... is an actual feat. 
