I've never been very impressed by Surfer's performance against teams. That being said, I think he has a good chance against the Infinity Watch at least. His speed significantly outclasses everyone on the Watch and based on his recent clash with Galactus in Slott's Surfer series, a bloodlusted Surfer is far more likely to use his speed in combat these days.
Surfer's already shrugged off Moondragon with the Mind Gem. Drax was so dumb that it shouldn't be difficult for Surfer to relieve him of the Power Gem. Pip and Gamora of course wouldn't be a problem at all.
Warlock could be a real problem but Surfer was able to resist the Inbetweener with the Soul Gem and I think Surfer's substantial power creep over the years gives him a good chance of beating Adam, at least as he was shown during Blood & Thunder.
Recently we saw a bloodlusted Surfer clearly using his speed offensively in combat.
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Surfer not only has better speed than any of the Watch, Post-Annihilation he blitzed Richard Rider (a character who also has better speed than any of the Watch) so fast that Richard didn't even know what had hit him.
Your OP conditions state Post-Annihilation Surfer, all the showings you just noted are prior to that.
Post-Annihilation Surfer seems significantly hardier than he was before. We saw in both of his encounters with Aegis and Tenebrous, he required multiple hits to be put down. During Chaos War, a powered up Hercules tried and failed to knock Surfer out with a punch. During the Galactus Seed arc in The Mighty Thor, Thor was completely unable to keep Surfer down despite many attempts.
And the difference being? Surfer isn't more powerful than pre-annihilation.
And? If you think getting almost killed by four attacks from two skyfather level being is really that much, you have never seen fight of other heralds to skyfathers.
Herc was still trying to adjust to his power. In the same arc, Zeus tooled surfer like nothing.
Thor was weakened. He still manhandled Surfer like nothing.
Surfer couldn't even hurt him with his energy attacks. The only thing he could do was cheapshot Thor several times with his board.
And an alternate Warlock with no feats, koed him in one blast. A cheapshot but still.
Warlock had no problem man handling Surfer or merging his soul with the Surfer. [/QUOTE]
Not for anything, but did you even read the final two "Drax vs Champion" scans? Surfer could have ended Champion whenever he wanted to but didn't want to risk hurting him. Drax didn't care and that's why it ended so fast.
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He grabbed Richard by the neck, briefly flew with him and then hurled him away from Galactus. He did all that and Richard still thought he had only been hit by an energy beam.
Both Aegis and Tenebrous were explicitly stated to be equal to Galactus in power. Tenebrous went toe to toe with Galactus, injured him and received no injury in return. You consider them just skyfather level?
In the issue prior to Hercules punching Surfer, Hercules was physically slapping around All-Fathers when the Council of Godheads tried to stop him.
The Chaos King was inside Zeus amping him, that's why he was able to shrug off Galactus's attack and then one-shot him.
I assume your talking about Thor's world tree injury, the injury was only ever indicated to have been causing him pain. There was no statements or indication that he was at all weakened AFAIK.
Surfer was hardly trying to fight Thor at all during the whole arc. He was clearly holding back, he even abruptly stopped the fight on Mars because he was worried about Thor's injury. This in contrast with Thor, who repeatedly stated his intention to kill Surfer and took nearly every opportunity to directly attack him. Thor was well motivated and out for blood and he still couldn't keep Surfer down.
That same Warlock was stated as being one of the most powerful being in the universe. Hardly a low showing for Surfer. Everyone was fighting to get the power that was inside Warlock. Nice attempt though ABHI.
But if you think that's impressive, you should check Thor vs Celestials, Captain Marvel vs Spectre or Superman vs dozens of abstract level beings he has gone against.
Heck, none of them were left for dead in four attacks. I don't know why Surfer fans cling to that so fiercely.
So do you consider Surfer skyfather level now as Hercules didn't ko him with a punch?
Check Surfer vs Odin or Surfer vs Geia if you want to see a skyfather oneshotting Surfer.
I know. But the same Zeus didn't oneshot Thor.
Thor >Galactus, right?
Wounds like those weaken characters.
Just after he went against Hulk, it almost killed him.
So yeah, it weakened him alright.
When he tried to fight back, he injured himself trying to hurt Thor.
Thor also no sold his point blank energy attack and was going to kill him when Sif stopped them.
Doesn't looks like Surfer had any effect on Thor.
Thor was also weakened. If you think Surfer not folding down like a ***** against Thor when he is smacking him around at will and resorting to cheapshots is him stalemating Thor, more power to you.
It distinctly looked to me that Thor made Surfer his ***** though.
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