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Darth Thor
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If R1 wasn't a Star Wars movie, would it get the same praise from people who love R1?

Could ask the same about TFA.

In the case of the latter I highly doubt it.

Jan 10th, 2017 11:27 PM

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Could ask the same about TFA.

In the case of the latter I highly doubt it.

Better characters, better villains, better story, better effects, etc. you don't care about the characters or the story.

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All I know is I am drunk and got Rick&Morthy and Invader Zim comics to read so...

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If R1 wasn't a Star Wars movie, would it get the same praise from people who love R1?

No. But then this is pretty much true for all of the SW films since ESB.

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Saw it three times, complained the most on my first viewing, after that it kept getting better.

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If R1 wasn't a Star Wars movie, would it get the same praise from people who love R1?

Since it's fundamentally a prequel and more or less a supporting film for ANH, it would be very different film as a standalone. I do believe that it's merits are sufficient that it would be great even out of context. The movie itself is technically well made and solidly built through it's own direction, characters, acting, action etc. The SW license is fundamental to it's composition, however.

Would ESB get as much praise if it wasn't a Star Wars movie? A sequel is just as dependent on the previous movies as a prequel is. You're asking if a tree could flourish without it's trunk.

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Would ESB get as much praise if it wasn't a Star Wars movie? A sequel is just as dependent on the previous movies as a prequel is.

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Better characters, better villains, better story, better effects, etc. you don't care about the characters or the story.

This is my point. It has nothing to do with the fact that it's a prequel or anything. It's more that it's quite a mediocre story, unlike ESB. Sure, you may need ANH to understand ESB and you certainly need ROTJ to get where it's going. However...I think a lot of R1's praise is simply because it's part of a franchise that people love. If it wasn't SW, but a generic SF movie, I don't think it would have been praised as much. Mind you, ESB is in the top three of most beloved films of all time. And at the time it was not even a real franchise yet. It was a sequel to the second most successful film of all time. All it could do was fail. But it stood the test of time. I doubt R1 will be as loved after 37 years.

Just to say ESB was loved because of ANH or ROTJ is a nonsensical approach. It is loved because we were engaged with the story and the characters, all characters were relevant (and even reintroduced) and there was no fan service.

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IDK, maybe you just have shit taste?

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This is my point. It has nothing to do with the fact that it's a prequel or anything. It's more that it's quite a mediocre story, unlike ESB.

Okay, I see your point and this is a pretty damn good argument. thumb up

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Lmao @ TFA having better effects than R1.

Jan 11th, 2017 11:08 PM

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Lmao @ TFA having better effects than R1.

You being an idiot makes it more difficult to prove the obvious.

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Lmao @ TFA having better effects than R1.

It did have superior effects.

Wear the damn glasses, dt. And pull out that mjolnir replica from your... cavity.

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R1 for the first 3 quarters of the movie was to dim to tell if the effects were any good or not.

Kinda like the Godzilla movie.

Which was also slow and boring and filled with Nobody Cares about them Characters.

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IDK, maybe you just have shit taste?

Such a great contribution to a discussion. I bet you loved the special effects in R1.

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It did have superior effects.

Wear the damn glasses, dt. And pull out that mjolnir replica from your... cavity.

There was nothing groundbreaking at all about TFA's effects.

R1 had the Peter Cushing effects and that final space battle.

Again the comparison is laughable.

Jan 12th, 2017 08:30 AM