Well, as is you putting words in my mouth. Savage lacks finesse compared to what we're used to seeing, his saving grace being his strength. Is he completely inept in technical application? Not at all. Is he below what we were used to seeing from strength-based combatants such as Vader? Absolutely.
That Savage lacks technical skill? He does. He LACKS it. Not that he is completely without it. Whereas someone like Vader packs a LOT of brute force, but maintains a high degree of technical skill. He's the exception that set that odd standard, whereas no-one would question Vader's technical aptitude.
Savage is actually more flexible than Vader, and mastered a more complex combat style in far less time.
__________________ “There are aspects of who we are that can only be revealed to us in the deepest pit of intolerable suffering, in those moments when all else is torn away—when we stand at the very brink of eternity itself and stare death in the face.” —Darth Sidious
Assumed you'd show up at SOME point ILS. How ya been?
In any case, IIRC Dooku himself seems disappointed in Savage's lack of technical skill. Though obviously this is DOOKU so that's understandable. I will say that WHEN Savage keeps a somewhat level head he's not too bad. His assisting Maul against Sidious being a prime example. But for a character that, at the surface, when angry, etc. Would be perceived as a tactless brute... well....
That obvious next-level technical finesse even had Sidious astonished I'm sure.
^ I think he may have been more skilled and powerful by AOTC, but I'd probably still give Kenobi the nod due to AOTC Anakin's frustration at not being a Knight leading to some extreme impatience and recklessness.
But yeah Skywalkers definitely surpassed him by TCW Movie.
Imo,I think he only surpasses Kenobi in raw strength.
It's possible in raw power,but surpasses Kenobi altogether? No.
Tier 9,tier 8,doesn't matter.
In their duel Obi Wan defeated Vader/Anakin in not just pure skill,
he outsmarted him by giving up ground,taking the fight where ever he wanted.
I've said this in past debates,Obi Wan is more skilled technically than Anakin.
Anakin maybe raw power,in the end,when it really counts,his raw power only blinded him.
Blinded him to the fact that he the Chosen One still has alot to learn.
Obi Wan Kenobi isn't some push over.
He was smart enough as a padawan to figure out Ataru's weaknesses,and switch from Ataru to
Soresu. Obi Wan always thinks things through before rushing blindly and recklessly
into battle or situations that calls for brains over brawn.
Anakin not so much.
That's why Juyo or Vaapad isn't taught to anyone who is more brawn than brains.
In other words reckless.
I guess at one point in time if Qui Gon allowed it Obi Wan was either qualified or chosen to learn
Vaapad. If allowed.
Anakin,so far is the best Djem So practitioner of his era.
Between Anakin and Ulic they both were the best Djem So duelists of their eras.
With Darth Bane as their very close Second.
In closing imo, again Anakin only surpasses Kenobi only in Power.
everything else Kenobi surpasses Anakin.
That's why Kenobi was pretty much the best choice in every mission,almost.
Against Maul,against Greivous,against both Maul and Savage,
Against Pre' Vizsla,Asajj Ventress. Should I continue?
Because the list is long.
Anakin maybe a tier or two above him but in any contest or mission Obi Wan Kenobl will
always be the best choice.
Last edited by juyomaster34 on Apr 17th, 2016 at 09:27 PM
Okay,you guys have to help me out here,what's Lel?
I have no idea.
But to answer when,well I would say as Vader he surpassed him while all those yrs on Tatooine
watching over Luke.Any other time Obi Wan surpasses him. Except on Mortis Anakin surpassed
him in the Force. With the Amp he got on Mortis. Anakin is the best pilot in the Order,so
Another one up for Annie.