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Legionaires Vs Heralds

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No prep.
No BFR.
You can use any LoSH line up thats AFTER Crisis and BEFORE New52.
No team can include Superman or Supergirl (as i dont want this to become a Superman thread).

Heralds line up is:
Silver Surfer
Gabriel the Air-Walker (Robot)
Gabriel the Air-Walker (live)
Firelord
Destroyer
Terrax the Tamer
Nova
Morg the Executioner
Red Shift
Stardust
Prater

Can the smaller Hersld line up beat a literal legion?

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Matter Eater Lad eats them all.

*chomp*


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Matter Eater Lad eats them all.

*chomp*

I started a MeL vs Ultron thread here once. Where were you when i needed you?!?

But really, you got nothin' on this one? Is it too close to call?


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The Legion destroys them.


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Too much of a numbers game, eh? I thought it might be. Thanks, abhi.


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I'm actually not so sure. A lot of the Legion will be canon fodder here. I would ask whoever thinks the Legion can win exactly who they think from the Legion are going to be the ones taking out most of the heralds?

If this was the pre crisis Legion I'd say they win handily, but post crisis? I don't know.


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Those are things i was hoping would get talked about.
I cant deny just pure numbers might do it of course. The lower tier characters can all serve to set up the higher ones.


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The destroyer can even things out, he's by far more powerful than the heralds and with his disintegration beam which can kill gods

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I was thinking Morg, too. He had something called the well of life, right?
The Legion has magic users that might offset that though i guess.


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Tough call. As stated above, many of the Legion would be cannon fodder without prep. Brainy is a pretty dangerous opponent with prep. Mon-El, Cosmic Boy, Ultra Boy, Blok, and Dawnstar wouldn't be enough IMO. The rest are just fodder ready to be BFR'd, or outright killed by Morg and Terrax. As for Matter Eater Lad, I'm not completely convinced that he would be capable of dealing with all of the Heralds. I'm sure I've missed something, so if anyone knows something that I don't I can easily be convinced otherwise.


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Yeah, i can and do see this going either way. Numbers and raw power.


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Mon-el
Superboy
Supergirl
Thunder
Ultraboy
Wildfire
Sensorgirl
Element lad
XS
Cosmic Boy (and IIRC his brother was also a member)
Block
White/black witch

These guys alone can give that list of heralds a bloody hard time.sensor girl can literaly xeprive them of their senses or make them see what she wants. She can make an illusion a "new reality".

When you add in Sunboy, lightning lad and Lass, KK, starboy, Phantom girl and Polarboy who can all at lease distract or occupy any herald so that the heavy hitters take out others fast/er. I'd say its a forgone conclusion

Even the fodder can destract enough to ensure victory

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I say pc kk solos. Yeau no pc in the op but meh.


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Originally posted by beatboks

Superboy

Even the fodder can destract enough to ensure victory


Which Superboy? I didnt specifically state it in the OP but by omitting Supergirl and Superman i meant Boy, too. My bad for being vague.
Conner Superboy i have no problem with though.

And i agree with you on the lower tier characters, like i said earlier.

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I say pc kk solos. Yeau no pc in the op but meh.

Brilliant!


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Originally posted by beatboks
Mon-el
Superboy
Supergirl
Thunder
Ultraboy
Wildfire
Sensorgirl
Element lad
XS
Cosmic Boy (and IIRC his brother was also a member)
Block
White/black witch

These guys alone can give that list of heralds a bloody hard time.sensor girl can literaly xeprive them of their senses or make them see what she wants. She can make an illusion a "new reality".

When you add in Sunboy, lightning lad and Lass, KK, starboy, Phantom girl and Polarboy who can all at lease distract or occupy any herald so that the heavy hitters take out others fast/er. I'd say its a forgone conclusion

Even the fodder can destract enough to ensure victory
Pre-Crisis is probably a given, but excluding that version the list above (removing Superboy/girl) plus KK still has numbers, power, and versatility. But I think the Legion will need to rely heavily on the heavy hitters and magic users to win through. I don't know how Saturn Girl would go, she is powerful but these are heralds. I also think MEL might be needed to take out Destroyer if some other members can get him close enough.

On the herald side Destroyer, Morg, and Surfer will be trouble. No Fallen One though.

Without Morg and Destroyer I'd say stronger Legion lineups would win out. But with them it's tough to pick.

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Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I say pc kk solos. Yeau no pc in the op but meh.


He wouldnt solo. I mean come on he can only turn their moves against them. He cant do that to several at once. He's never taken on more than 1 heavy hitter solo.

Still any of the 12 I listed could take on one of the heralds and at least hold their own (in the case of some like Black Witch can't think of a single Herald she cant beat). Taking those odds even without the full weight of the LoSH 50+ memebers more than leans the outcome their way

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Actually Brainiac might also tip this the Legion's way for me, since the heralds don't exactly have a lot of brains on their side.

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Brainiac's best with prep, though.


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Which Superboy? I didnt specifically state it in the OP but by omitting Supergirl and Superman i meant Boy, too. My bad for being vague.
Conner Superboy i have no problem with though.

And i agree with you on the lower tier characters, like i said earlier.


Brilliant!


I'll be honest, I completely missed the part about No superman (not that I consider superMAN part of the LoSH).

Still that simply makes the numbers of herald level character on both sides even (given Black witch can probabaly take two of them).

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No sweat, just didnt want to go on a tangent i was specifically hoping to avoid.
I like what i'm hearing about this Black Witch though. Only know of her in passing, gotta do some research.


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