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Darth Vader vs Revan
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Beniboybling
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If you choose to face Revan at the ToS, only the four protags from either faction face him. wink

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Jaggarath
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We've seen that since December 2014. It's April 2016. Keep up with the times.


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Well I suppose I should expect confirmation biased from you. smile


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The game is telling you that you can't play with cross-faction characters (and most likely specifically stated to avoid confusion).

It doesn't overwrite the fact the entire point of the mission was for joint cooperation between both Jedi and Sith forces against Revan.


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None of the other protagonists are there until I see further confirmation.

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The Ellimist
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Half the protags are fodder anyway lol.


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The game is telling you that you can't play with cross-faction characters (and most likely specifically stated to avoid confusion).

It doesn't overwrite the fact the entire point of the mission was for joint cooperation between both Jedi and Sith forces against Revan.
Unless you choose not to foster cooperation, and confront Revan with your factions own resources. Which is also kinda the point.


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Half the protags are fodder anyway lol.

I don't think you understand just how good of a shot the Bounty Hunter is.

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Unless you choose not to foster cooperation, and confront Revan with your factions own resources. Which is also kinda the point.

Which contradicts everyone saying "we must unite or fall."


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srs though the non-Force sensitives and honestly most of the sith protags are probably more useful to Revan as projectiles.


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I will take your silence on the issue as a concession. RotJ Vader > TFU Vader ~ Galen >>> Revan. GG


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Nephthys
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There's only two Sith protags, how can there be a "most"?

Also kek, Cipher 9 pwned Jadus and the Champ pwned a Battlemaster. They sure didn't seem to be just projectiles when they killed Revan the first time.


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I must have forgot the part where it was confirmed the Agent or the Bounty Hunter killed Revan.

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BTW, seeing as how Revan loses to the strike team, you can't equate them.

Vader's apprentice can disintegrate 300 meter cruisers, GG.


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Cmon we all know Cipher 9 solo'd him.


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Who would send Cipher 9 to do anything involving the Foundry?

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Too bad the point of the TFUIII reference was to cite the creator's opinion on the events of the second game, mainly that Vader let him win. That's a distinct line of argument from appealing to proposed story-lines that irreconcilably contradict what actually happens.

No. It seemed to convey the idea that, when writing the script for the third game, they went back and thought about things differently, and thus the comments. This is supported by the fact that neither the novelization nor comic conveyed the message that Darth Vader intentionally let Starkiller win. It specifically made note of his intentions to use Juno Eclipse as bait to make Starkiller his dark apprentice again, thus "irreconcilably contradicting what" you are trying to argue.

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Not that it matters - Vader's TFUI powerscaling is enough.

I enjoy how you were intentionally vague since no powerscalling provided in the game can match the powerscalling, or even direct quotes, that can be used with Revan.

Feel free to fill me in on your next move quickly so I can choose from eighty-seven different quotes praising Revan's power in comparison to others to match and beat it.

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You'd have to go into more detail than "shape the galaxy" - Darth Vader certainly shapes the galaxy through his own actions as the Chosen One. Heck, Mon Mothma shapes the galaxy too.

But anyway, the game never happened, so this line of reasoning is irrelevant.


"Part of the fun with designing them was if you have these incredibly powerful Force users and they have their whole hidden domain out in the distant reaches of the galaxy, what would that Sith empire really look like at the hands of these things? If they could shape entire planets or galaxies or nebulas, and they had all these slave races at their disposal, how cool would that be, to go into the heart of darkness and you're the lone Jedi and/or new version of the Sith confronting these guys? What would that be like? I thought that would be pretty epic."

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You're actually digging Revan into a hole here. The interesting thing about feats against inanimate objects is that they're relatively stable "enemies", as opposed to Force-sensitive opponents that never fight one another and so cannot be clearly scaled. The fact that Vader can pull off more impressive feats than Revan, yet still cannot seem to ragdoll, say, Obi Wan, is just an indication that Obi Wan is a lot stronger than you think he is, not that AT-ATs and cruisers are not.

Easily one of the worst arguments ever constructed in the history of this forum (note that Beniboybling is an active member here).

Characters' powers in relative to the grand scheme of things are clearly evident. In a rare situation where they aren't, a simple debate can establish that.

The domination of characters in battle is far more relevant than moving or collapsing a structure since it actually shows the characters' abilities in battle. Your argument that "Darth Vader isn't bad, just every other Jedi he fought during the Jedi Purge is fantastic" is ridiculous. Many of the Jedi that Darth Vader fought don't have the praise, feats, or even implication that they are greater than the rank-and-file Dark Jedi that Revan slaughtered through en masse. The fact he didn't overwhelm them, despite being challenged in many circumstances, makes abundantly clear he can't against an opponent like Revan, who tanked a concentrated blast that threatened to affect all life in a one kilometer radius.

Unless you wish to argue that Jedi X is more powerful than Darth Marr or Satele Shan, in which any grain of credibility you have is diminished?

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BTW, Revan may initially ragdoll the strike team, but he ultimately loses.

Due to the intervention of his spirit. He had the strike team dead to rights otherwise. Try again.

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It's also the more recent source material

There's an ongoing Darth Vader comic series and a television show that both put Darth Vader back in his place.

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more relevant than most to the timeline (founding of the rebellion)

And so that means all the content concerning its foundation is to be looked upon in the same light?

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and the one with the most realistic graphics.

That's... that's not even remotely relevant.

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And it's pretty circular to declare these Jedi that score blows against him to be "weak" when we otherwise don't know how powerful they are.

No, it's not. There's no evidence that most are greater than your average Jedi, which are comparatively weak compared to the higher tiers.

Your argument that all these Jedi can stand against Darth Vader because "they're just that good" is quickly crumbling any hope for him beating Revan.

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Also, Vader's power isn't some sort of stable variable - he's stronger in TFU than he would be in earlier years, and he's stronger in RotJ than he is in TFU.

I never denied that. I fail to see how that would create such a drastic change, however, when Darth Vader close to RotJ sometimes still fails to live up to the hype.

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Also, it's pretty silly to try to discount TFU feats for having the stench of wank, and then to base your support of Revan on TOR ones.

Do you have quotes from the makers of SWTOR that state they specifically wanted the characters' Force abilities to be "amped up"? If not, sit down.

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Like taking on a guy who can disintegrate cruisers and one-shot hundreds of stormtroopers at the same time?

Your response doesn't remotely correlate with what I said. Why are we ignoring 37 Darth Vader confrontations and just focusing on the two he did the best in?

Seems like desperation.

For the record, don't bother responding, you should be banned by either tonight or early tomorrow for socking.


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Nephthys
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Why wouldn't you send the guy who solo'd the greatest Sith Vitiates empire ever produced to take out a loser like Revan???


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Which contradicts everyone saying "we must unite or fall."
How? A single non-joint op hardly negates all the cooperation that made it possible in the first place. erm
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This is supported by the fact that neither the novelization nor comic conveyed the message that Darth Vader intentionally let Starkiller win. It specifically made note of his intentions to use Juno Eclipse as bait to make Starkiller his dark apprentice again, thus "irreconcilably contradicting what" you are trying to argue.
No, the novel implies Vader was holding back, which is what Witwer claims he was doing...


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How? A single non-joint op hardly negates all the cooperation that made it possible in the first place. erm

Most of Revan's forces were concentrated within the temple he was in, last time I checked.

The main point of the cooperation was to overwhelm the temple's defenses, hence why a joint operation force against Revan was necessary.


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